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One tyrannical dictatorship you won't hear the neocons complain about

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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    I would want the BMP off that site too, and a FROG launcher off Milweb.

    I could buy the BMP and probably invade France by driving across the channel with some mates. And win, judging by their past war record. :p



    The Russians ued a very good tactic for their situation against the Germans, and let them into Russia so fast that the IL-2's could cut them off very far inland with no supplies in winter, then faced by a heavily built up soviet Army. With IL-2's, T/34's, IS-2's and Katyusha's. In the russian Winter. Without Supplies.

    Sure, they got very far, but with the fat the Soviets took anything from those towns worth Taking, well... no hoper.

    Hitler made the mistake of getting a big head, and taking on too much at once. If he Did Russia then the rest of the world, he may have suceeded. Instead, he lost. Oh well.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If Hitler had 4 armies in Russia he would have won.

    As it stood he had 3 - one was waiting to invade Britain.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    minimi38 wrote:
    Nah. Neither side really won that.

    maybe not but it did so much damage to hitlers eastern front that the rest was just a shambles and that was the start of the demise of his empire...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Meh, its an unimportant country anyway.
    You're so less dislikeable when you're not trolling Matadore...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    if hitler had kept the secret pact with russia for longer, then got france and britain, which he would of with sheer troop numbers, and the fact they were the best trained and equipped army in the world at the time, he could of got russia on its own another time

    lets ot forget the usa backed both sides really, it had coca cola and ford factories in nazi germany, using their effective slave labour, guess what german civilians used as war shelters, american factories cause american bombers were told not to go near them
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You're so less dislikeable when you're not trolling Matadore...

    So you deny that pragmatism is necessary in foreign policy?
    lets ot forget the usa backed both sides really

    :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Im more pissed off about the worst human rights abuser, China. They get nicley ignored by everyone too!

    :thumb: right on dude.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    china is worth billions, trillions even, uzbekistan is a big quagmire
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ...and?
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    if hitler had kept the secret pact with russia for longer, then got france and britain, which he would of with sheer troop numbers, and the fact they were the best trained and equipped army in the world at the time, he could of got russia on its own another time

    lets ot forget the usa backed both sides really, it had coca cola and ford factories in nazi germany, using their effective slave labour, guess what german civilians used as war shelters, american factories cause american bombers were told not to go near them

    No, he should have done over Russia first and ignored the not-so-secret pact. It made Stalin Time's man of the year that year. Hardly secret.

    If he left Russia Stalin's Red Army would have been so strong as to be undefeatable. Russia First, Rest of World can wait. Do Remember that Russia had better Equipment for mass production. T-34, SKS, Katyusha, IL-2, and so on. Things like the King Tiger and MP-44 were the better weapons, but they were not mass production freindly. And the awesome PPSH. :D

    The Russian Winter would still have been a bitch, too. And lets face it, it is amazing the Russians managed to hold out like they did. Hitler's best of the best went into Stalingrad. They faced men who were half of them unarmed and had to find weapons, to hold off everything the Germans had until reinforcments could arrive. Leningrad too was bloody amazing, in my books more so. That shows the kind of fighting force the Russians were back then. Imagine if they had a few more years to arm themselves up more? The size of the Red Army with better equipment would have resulted in probably a stalemate. Hitler would not have accepted that. Lets face it, the UK on its own would probably have just decided to negotiate peace when Russia was gone. Then Hitler could have easily taken us.

    And its about time someone sorted out Mr. Jong-Il. He's pissing me off, can't he STFU already? We know you have Nukes! Stop shouting about it or i'll invade you myself. I am not scared of your T-34's.

    Russia should
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    I am not scared of your T-34's.

    :lol: you're one brave bastard!
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    :lol: you're one brave bastard!

    They are North Korean. They are old. They probably just about move, let alone work to any degree. Plus I bet the crews are poorly trained... Besides, i'll enable cheats and put on God mode...

    But seriously, thats an anchient tank, and probably badly maintained. I think that it'd be a more sucessful war that Iraq if it were to go ahead. The MiG's on the other hand, scare me. They have 29's I Beleive... :nervous:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Gerbil, i think you need to look back to the last time the US attempted to take on the North, we had our asses handed to us in a sling. No land invasion would stand a chance, nor would the Chinese take kindly to massive US troop buildups in that region.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    The Chinese aren't on great terms with the NK's at the moment... the whole explosions at their border thing.

    Back then the US Army wasn't exactally so far ahead of the NK's in Technology. And you DID stop them taking the south... that was the idea, right? Lets face it, the NK army is an army with backwards tech which has barley been updated since the last war, and low morale. I doubt the US would send in un prepared troops again though, I hope they learn from experience.

    And the Pubic would hopefully support it, as NK does pose a real threat.

    Land Invasion? Wouldn't you bomb and missile strike it into oblivion first, like Iraq?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Gerbil, i think you need to look back to the last time the US attempted to take on the North, we had our asses handed to us in a sling. No land invasion would stand a chance, nor would the Chinese take kindly to massive US troop buildups in that region.

    It was the Chinese who handed you you asses in a sling, not the Koreans then too...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rich Kid wrote:
    Shall we compile a list of nations that abuse its people? Can I start:

    1) Britain in Northern Ireland - right on our doorstep.
    Not quite to the extent that some countries abuse people.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Land Invasion? Wouldn't you bomb and missile strike it into oblivion first, like Iraq?


    Defiantly a bad idea when you know they have nukes and an unstable leader. We knew we could get away with it in Iraq because we knew they never had a rocket capable of caring a nuclear warhead. As for NK...?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    The Chinese aren't on great terms with the NK's at the moment... the whole explosions at their border thing.

    Back then the US Army wasn't exactally so far ahead of the NK's in Technology. And you DID stop them taking the south... that was the idea, right? Lets face it, the NK army is an army with backwards tech which has barley been updated since the last war, and low morale. I doubt the US would send in un prepared troops again though, I hope they learn from experience.

    And the Pubic would hopefully support it, as NK does pose a real threat.

    Land Invasion? Wouldn't you bomb and missile strike it into oblivion first, like Iraq?

    totally different ball park to Iraq though, thing is, NK does have WMD's, thats the first detterent, secondly, they have millions in their army, not some old guard thing sadam had and thirdly, China would be up in arms if such an invasion tok place, not so much in defence of NK but in anger of a war so close to their borders...NK will not be invaded...
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Oh yes, they have Nukes, don't they? That is a big turn off...

    But I can't help but fear the fact they do, and Kim may use them offensivley instead of defensivley... and with the US claiming the be fighting nations hat pose a threat to world peace...

    Oh well, Kim might die soon from some kind of odd disease or get assasinated. We can but hope.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Oh yes, they have Nukes, don't they? That is a big turn off...

    But I can't help but fear the fact they do, and Kim may use them offensivley instead of defensivley... and with the US claiming the be fighting nations hat pose a threat to world peace...

    Oh well, Kim might die soon from some kind of odd disease or get assasinated. We can but hope.

    Kim won't use them offensively because of the same reasons back in the cold war (namely Mutual Assured Destruction).

    I would defiantly say that we don't hope his ass gets assonated. The only people who could pull that off would be people who are even more hard-line (military brass?). Unless someone has a bright idea the best we can hope for is the same as what brought down the Soviet Union, mounting international pressure and a collapse under it's own infrastructure.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Oh yes, they have Nukes, don't they? That is a big turn off...

    But I can't help but fear the fact they do, and Kim may use them offensivley instead of defensivley... and with the US claiming the be fighting nations hat pose a threat to world peace...

    Oh well, Kim might die soon from some kind of odd disease or get assasinated. We can but hope.

    i thought you loved commie countries...no country is going to use nukes offensively, like Allrage says, it's matual assured destruction, nukes are a sign of power and are a "if you attack us then...." method of defence, completely pointless of course....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    i thought you loved commie countries....

    to be fair they aren't exactly communist, at best they are a despotic form of socialism.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    to be fair they aren't exactly communist, at best they are a despotic form of socialism.

    no country is or was communist, i just thought gerbil loved the idea of there being "communist" states...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    it would be pretty great to be honest, if only it actually worked...
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    The Idea of Communism a great one which is hard to acheive if not on a global scale. Communism would work, on a gloabal scale it would be the best system ever know, and it oculd work better than anything else in a country if other countries chose not to bully that country becasue it wasn't running an exploitive system. A country will struggle to survive if it isn't allowed to do anything outside its own borders. All countries must import and export products to other countries. Its the way the world works.

    North Korea is a Tyranny.

    Nukes have been used offensivley by the USA. But then again, there was no fear of payback as no-one else has them... Kim is probably mad enough to use them. The thing is we just don't know what goes on in his head.

    Worlds most dangerous Terrorist? Im pretty scared of this guy:
    insurgent_falluja_1.jpg
    :nervous:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    True MoK, but it was our invasion of the North which prompted the Chinese into action on behalf of the North. So too if we tried anything of that nature today, despite the burgeoning profit they are making from our companies. Notwithstanding that, given steadily declining volunteer rates in the US (thank heavens for small blessings) it wouldn't be any stroll in the park to take on NK's million man army.

    The necessary logistics alone would be crippling since most of our surplus hardware has already been allocated to both Afghanistan and Iraq.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Worlds most dangerous Terrorist? Im pretty scared of this guy:
    insurgent_falluja_1.jpg
    :nervous:

    lol I’ve got a theory that if you sit down and have a cup of coffie with some of the most scary people out there, by the end of it you'd both have found a mutual respect for one another.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    I'll just phone him up now then, and we can discuss the various uses of RPG's.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    The Idea of Communism a great one which is hard to acheive if not on a global scale. Communism would work, on a gloabal scale it would be the best system ever know, and it oculd work better than anything else in a country if other countries chose not to bully that country becasue it wasn't running an exploitive system. A country will struggle to survive if it isn't allowed to do anything outside its own borders. All countries must import and export products to other countries. Its the way the world works.

    i flirted with communism myself, realised it was a load of balls, even the idea of communism is flawed...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    I'll just phone him up now then, and we can discuss the various uses of RPG's.

    :lol:

    actually it does work, i did it with this NAZI i met, i fucking hate Nazi’s but turned out he was a pretty nice guy with a good sense of humor.
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