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But it's reactive. Sure the criminal may get caught, but the crime has already been comitted. Considering the amount of money invested in these schemes, wouldn't it be better to invest in crime prevention?
..and that is something you should be scared of, not revel in.
The fact that any Govt may have the power to watch over you so closely goes against the basic concepts of freedom. My Govt should not feel it necessary to watch me, as I go about lawful business and I should have the right to go about my daily life without being under suspicion.
And I still haven't heard any explanation as to how ID cards will prevent terrorist attacks or crime.
Hang on, I thought you said you were a tory?
What gives the Government the right to spy on people's private lives?
So, you're not really in favour of a small state at all?
:nervous:
How?
Hmmmmm............. Well, fortunately for us, there are peers who can see the dangers of going down the road of BIG SURVEILLANCE ...........
Your line seems inconsistent - if you trust the state to co-ordinate that amount of information, then they must be up to the job of running schools and hospitals.
In fact Rich Kid, you are incapable of consistency.
Why is that?
But it's not against me, is it?
I have nothing to hide, so why is the Govt interested in what I do, why do they need a biometric scan and my details on a database..?
If only. The "government" aren't that stupid. They know that the ID card won't do anything they claim it will. Yet they continue with it regardless.
It seems to me that the purpose of the card is to spy on the population. It must be because that's the only thing it will actiually be any good at.
Because theres no way to rule innocent men?
Indeed. There's no real benefit to the citizen (unless they like the idea of being tagged, numbered, treated like a piece of meat, stripped of personal privacy and being ripped off into the bargain).
Infectious scum? Maybe you need to clean your bath more often
Since when has the world and what happens in it been consistent? We're in a constant state of chaos and need to be pragmatic and flexible in our responses. In contrast you seem weighed down by dogma, slow reactions, and an inability to recognise fast changing situations, both of a positive or negative nature.
So in answer to my question you would be happy for all the members of a police force to have access to footage of your every move, hearing every word you ever said, perhaps taking a few urine samples from you, maybe a bit of blood.
And, taking another point you said this 'war' we are in is to the death, the death of whom exactly, who are we fighting again?
Thw war against international terrorism that is out to destroy Western values and democratic societies, and domestically, the criminal underclass who infect our society with their activities.
In that case, the politicians are doing the terrorists' work for them then - CCA, PTA, etc.
Whilst your probably correct taking away all our civil liberties achieves the same aim. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Luckily most normal people dont trust the government enough for efforts like this.
And I ask again who we are at 'war' with International Terrorists is a nice term, but who are they and where are they? And more to the point why do they suddenly hate us so much?
If you're that ignorant then I'm not going to be the one to awaken you from your slumbers. Dream on believing there are no threats, no terrorists, no-one out who want to destroy us and our values. There is no "suddenly" about it, if you had yourv eyes and ears open you'd have kept up to speed on this one.
Goodnight, sweet dreams bonga.
Proof of terrorists causing or able to cause any permanent damage in the Uk please.
"Our values" or "your" values?
Such threats as there are pose little long-term danger. Meanwhile, one of the 'values' I prize is freedom from being spied on by government: it seems that that particular 'British value' is one you're more than happy to see disposed of.
Tolerance, free speech, freedom of movement and freedom from surveillance don't matter to you. Basically, you just want to keep the 'values' that you agree with, don't you?
Did I say there was no terrorists? Strange, I dont think I did.
What I am suggesting, and many others are too is that we should look at this 'war on terror' objectively and find out what threat we are actually under and how to deal with it.
And bringing in a rash of measures that curtail freedoms will NOT help preserve 'british' values.
LIES, LIES, LIES.
Why, Dr Zhivago! A melon! And so purple too! I must find a shoebox for my salad turkey and his friend Lucille Ball.
Get a grip RK.
And not about alleged lies on news 24.
Get a grip RK.