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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So do you think it is reasonable to blablabla....

    Get a fucking sense of homour. It was soem banter...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    seeker wrote:
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    Provided by whom ?



    seeker


    I'm not quite sure what you're suggesting...

    but in answer to your question, peoples needs are provided for by other people. It's supposed to be some sort of minimalist existence where artisans and craftsmen produce things out of interest for the common good rather than mass production for profit. Or so goes the theory anyway.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    AllAmericanRageJunky wrote:
    The U.S. doesn't give shit to China because China is kind enough to be a trade partner with us. When Castro kicked out the U.S. backed regime he cut ties with the U.S. which apparently is equivalent to sitting you butt on the San Andreas fault because the party has been going since then.
    China is a very complicated affair, especially when you're getting involved with their occupation of Tibet.

    I'm not one for war and I'm no specialist on South American politics either. I don't agree with 90% of what America does and, with every government there's double standards and hypocricy...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    AllAmericanRageJunky wrote:
    When Castro kicked out the U.S. backed regime he cut ties with the U.S.

    Not factually correct as alluded to in my previous post.The U.S. regime was backing Castro and co. against the Batista regime for a short period before and after his gang took control.


    seeker
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NQA wrote:
    Strictly speaking it was the other way round. Castro wanted to continue ties with the US. There was a period just after he came to power when a more intelligent US Foreign Policy could have brought Castro onto the US's side (in the same way left wing European government's prefered the US to the USSR) and possibly even had led to a democratic Cuba.

    Instead the US Government listened to literal gangsters and both Democratic and Republican Presidents are now in a mess they cannot get out of.

    Nah, you're missing something here.

    The left wing governments of which you speak were not truly "left wing". Maybe socially progressive to an extent...but still working under the functions of capitalism.

    Any government which shuns the global market and adopts socialist principles will suffer intolerance from the US - why? A successful socialist society is an obvious threat to the American "way of life"...i.e. people start to reject capitalism once they see an example of a better way...

    The USA has a long history of throwing elected socialist governments from power for this very reason.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote:
    Nah, you're missing something here.

    The left wing governments of which you speak were not truly "left wing". Maybe socially progressive to an extent...but still working under the functions of capitalism.

    Any government which shuns the global market and adopts socialist principles will suffer intolerance from the US - why? A successful socialist society is an obvious threat to the American "way of life"...i.e. people start to reject capitalism once they see an example of a better way...

    The USA has a long history of throwing elected socialist governments from power for this very reason.

    I think that's my point. Castro didn't want to join the Eastern Bloc. He wanted to be friends with the US. It was US Foreign Policy which drove him in to side with the USSR, after they spurned his offers of friendship.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    -[MoonRat]- wrote:
    China is a very complicated affair, especially when you're getting involved with their occupation of Tibet.

    ewll for starters it's illegal.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    And the US is legal to invade Middle Eastern Country X becasue *apparently* they have weapons that can't hit the USA and/or fund Al Quedia? Which is OK when the US is doing it against the USSR, of course!

    Cuba didn't want anything the US has done to it. Neither did it do anything to cause them to do so. They just did. The quality of life there is not as bad as is often made out, and there are people living in far worse conditions in the USA.

    In Cuba there still is strong support for Castro as well as opposition, as with any regeime. Cuba is probably the closet thing to Communism the world today has. People love Castro becasue he doesn't take any shit and stands up for what he beleives in, despite Cuba's size. Also, I daresay there are a good number of people who would stand up for Cuba if the US tried anything. And, Russia still owes Cuba a bunch of MiG's...

    China is the closet thing to Capitalism we have. They trade with all and paractically make all. The people are exploited and paid little, and have little rights. Its almost like Industrial Revolution England. But with Modern Industry and Western companies exploiting Chinese workers. It is nearly Capitalism pure. Then they invade a small foreign country, and the world is up in arms. America does it, everyone ignores it.

    When Castro goes though, I fear for Cuba alot too. We'll either get a Tyrant, a US invasion, or if we are lucky, another guy like him or better. I hope he has been preparing for what will happen when he goes, and has a replacement in mind. Poor chap will be missed, I must say.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    AllAmericanRageJunky wrote:
    ewll for starters it's illegal.
    DEpends who's arguement you take.

    Like I said, it's complicated.

    China has the worlds youngest political prisoner too... Buuut anyway...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rich Kid wrote:
    My, my, your virulent anti-Americanism is showing lamp boy!.
    What anti-Americanism would that be, Spoilt Child?

    Can you tell the difference between being prejudiced against a nation and its people, and being against the policies of a government?

    I don't think you can.

    Castro is just an old Commie who has kept his people in slavery and poverty for decades - he should have been dealt with a long time ago!
    The Soviets used him as a stooge in an attempt to blackmail the Americans - and talking about installing dictators, the Soviets were supreme masters at installing puppet Commie leaders all over Eastern Europe who had no compunction at killing their own people on the orders of the Kremlin. They kept their people under the most repressive Commie regimes, even building walls (Berlin) to keep their people in - if they tried to esacpe across the minefields and the wall, they were shot down like dogs! Welcome to Utopia my friend!
    Three words for you:

    Pinochet

    Taliban

    Uzbekistan


    Not so, the people of Cuba would welcome a return to freedom and democracy. Its about time George W took a look at it.
    The people of Cuba would spit on any concept of democracy the mass murdering, anti-democratic Republican government of George W. Bush could offer them.

    As Mark Twain once said, "there are lies, damn lies and statistics" so don't believe all you read!
    LOL. Keep burying your head in the sand Spoilt Child... keep refusing to believe those figures that go against your agenda. Very intelligent and mature :D

    Its time the US went in and freed the Cuban people, they're crying out for it. These good Roman Catholic people are being kept under the yoke of an evil God-less Commie regime. There are secret police on every street, people cannot trust their neighbours or friends, their living conditions are awful, the media is muzzled, and democracy is non-existent. Free the people they yearn to be free!
    ZZZ ZZZ ZZZ ZZZ

    The EU should support American action to free the people of Cuba as soon as possible.
    The US should support action to free American people from the tyranical fascist theocracy of G. W. Bush.

    Time for regime change in Washington DC.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    The only concern with Cuba was that any missiles launched from there were too close for the US to detect them and take them down in time.

    But other than that Cuba hasn't got much geopolitical interest. It's not as if it was the only island to be found in the area...

    It has always been the strategic key to the Caribbean (I'm basing this on what I learned whilst I was there rather than expertise in the area). The name 'Cuba' is derived from a Spanish word for the packing cases that supplies were brought in. Essentially it was one big supply depot for the whole area.

    It is also very defensible - even more so than Jamaica - it's large enough to hide a guerilla army in (as Castro demonstrated) and can be self-sufficient.

    I found the Cuban attitude to the US to be quite mature. They are a little afraid that the US will invade (I don't think they will in a million years) but they also admire many things about the US and its democracy.

    They are fiercely proud of their country but not hugely enamoured of Castro (particularly the younger generation) and, apart from making everyone equally poor, Castro hasn't done great things for the Cubans. Once they realise what the rest of the world has and what they could have, I doubt they'll have much time for their system of government.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Its time the US went in and freed the Cuban people, they're crying out for it. These good Roman Catholic people are being kept under the yoke of an evil God-less Commie regime. There are secret police on every street, people cannot trust their neighbours or friends, their living conditions are awful, the media is muzzled, and democracy is non-existent. Free the people they yearn to be free!

    Much like the Iraqi's yearned to be free?

    Oh, and NEVER mix Politics and Religion. Especially Catholics, they tend to back the wrong guy. See: Mussolini, Hitler.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh, and NEVER mix Politics and Religion. Especially Catholics, they tend to back the wrong guy. See: Mussolini, Hitler.

    Hey, the catholics got the vatican city out of Mussolini and pots of nazi gold.

    As far as I can tell politics is a religion for it's followers.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Yes, but the Nazi's did kindof slaughter a lot of church congregations.

    And they backed Mussolini inspite of previously saying that no-one should get involved in politics because it was against God or somesuch. Hypocrits. Then look at what a mess Mussolini made... Although, he had some funny camp poses in his time!

    Politics is hardly a religion, it doesn't exactally make you go to a building of worship every week and force you to fear an evil overlord. Well, except when a Tyrant gets in power. But we try to avoid that... :/

    And I thought the Bible preached against Idol worship?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And I thought the Bible preached against Idol worship

    Yes. In the "Simon Cowell" prophecies. -

    "At the end of days a man will apear with a tan that isn't fake but looks it. And all voices shall cry out "What size chest are those pants, Simon?" and bad sarcasm will reign and there will be a wailing and gnashing of teeth."
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