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But whether you like drugs or not is far from the issue.
You have to live in the country, you have to pay for the policing costs of these laws, you have to pay for the social costs our drug laws produce....
You can hate them, but that doesnt mean they should be illegal. It makes no odds if you are a user or not, its economically sound for cannabis to be taken out of the legal framework.
My moral objection to cannabis use is greater than any economic objection to paying for its policing.
I'd challenge the economic argument anyway. In my experience; seeing friends fail degrees, lose girlfriends and quit their jobs to smoke more joints, cannabis destroys motivation, productivity, relationships and potential.
Yep, and I've seen people who didnt smoke do the very same thing.
I dont know what to say about your moral objection, seems an odd way to support making something illegal to me.
I am surprised how highly I scored with the Greens. I'm happy to admit that I am a gas guzzling, infrequent recycling natural resource waster... go figure
so all these people badly prescribed on anti-depressants should get criminal records cause they probably dont need them and are addicted, yes clever one moron
My comment was specifically about cannabis. Did you even read it before making that unjustified statement of abuse?
well they both in their own way, help someone get through their day
why should someone who smokes cannabis be punished for it, if it doesnt interefere with anything and they do it in ther own space and time, whats so wrong
You can't speak for me and then object to what you say though can you? That's completely unfair.
Cannabis has medical and behavioural and social problems associated with it which cost society. Even if someone uses it in the comfort of their own home and they don't interact directly with anyone they're having a negative impact on the country as a whole. Read the rest of the thread. I hate repeating myself.
...I can't see that it's a moral issue
Yes, I don't drink. So stick that in your pipe and don't smoke it.
So presumably you view the majority of the country as immoral...including all those Christians who drink Communion wine?
every chemical/drug has side effects, my mate was on acne treatment, it turned him into a zombie for christ sake
i know cannabis has associated problems, however its someones choice to use it, and in the comfort of their own home or in company of fellow stoners, i dont mind them having a joint
how does it cost society exactly? we arent robots you know all meant to just be eating what we nutriotionally need and work the rest of the time, such a thing as indulgence and escapism, which as long as they arent abused, are perfectly fine
All I ask is a little responsibility. Feel free to ignore me.
Communion wine is non-alcoholic.
Last time I went it was fortified.
edit http://www.whitebridgewines.co.uk/communion_wine.htm
In some places, but far from all.
So someone wants to sit at home and smoke, how is that immoral?
I sit at home and watch TV quite often, is that just as immoral or less, and if so why?
You do something else, right? You provide some good to society?
Just my thoughts and musings on the subject:
Every substance you put into your body has side effects of one form or another. Everything from heroin to sugar has desirable and undesirable effects of your body, the people around you and eventually society. People who take an evangelically anti-drug stance on always puzzle me. I think if you denounce drugs as a whole then you are denouncing artificial stimulation of the body; putting your body into a state that it wouldn't be able to obtain naturally. This could be the ingestion of aspirin, coffee or medicine to help you sleep. Where do you draw the line between a "good" drug and a "bad" drug? Surely it's entirely subject to the situation, the person and the drug?
If you’re taking the economical consequences of substance use then I think you can draw parallels between someone who refuses to (or doesn’t) take care of their teeth properly, continuingly eating a particular chocolate bar perhaps when they’re receiving NHS dental care for degrading teeth. I think drugs on a whole are a grey area because if you stand one way on them then you implicate yourself to feel morally one way about a range of other substances and subjects.
Well thought out and put across. I agree there has to be some level of pragmatism to moralistic judgements though different memebers of society would place the acceptability boundary at different points on a theoretical spectrum.
Well yes, of course, I work and pay tax, plus do charity work.
But cannabis smokers do that too, just because someone smokes does not mean they will just sit on their arse and do nothing.
True, drug use would not define a person. I would just hope that people are left with the motivation to go out and do some good rather than just sitting back and appreciating their drug highs.
I used to have a fairly open mind about drug use, then I saw some of my friends waste themselves, having nothing but that in their lives, and the final straw was seeing the most pathetic of debates in which a representative of Cannabis Alliance asked our university debating society to pass the motion "This house would legalise drug use" completely stoned off his face and barely coherant.
Well of course, but there are many people who are lazy without the cannabis.
Some cannabis users do get apathetic, same as some alcohol users get violent, but that isnt to say all get apathetic.
As a matter of fact I have never personally met, or even heard of, a single person whose life was ruined by cannabis.
I know one bloke whose cannabis use probably in part led to him dropping out of Uni, but then the total lack of preperation his parents gave him for real life didnt help either.
i have but their family had a history of mental illness, anyway the cannabis only made it worse, she ahd the problems to begin with ie shitty family life etc etc
but everyone takes that risk when they do anything, theres a chance when i go pub tonight i could die from being hit by a car crossing the road, so well kind of bad argument really
So well kind of?
Don't be so commital!
But just because someone is potentially dangerous does not mean it should be illegal.
Horse riding is statistically very dangerous, but no one would consider it immoral.
The legal framework is there to reduce the harm as much as possible, I fail to see how the current law does this.
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