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BillieTheBot
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how do you define drunk, and whats the difference in serving someone drink, who would likely be drunk in 10 mins time anyway due to allready consumed alcohol, etc and things like that, please discuss
i cant really comment on this much with my own opinion, as im just baffled by this
dont most people go out to get drunk anyway?
and whats the difference between a drunk and a stupid fally over drunk?
Plans to hit bar staff who serve drunken customers with an £80 on-the-spot fine come into force today.
how do you define drunk, and whats the difference in serving someone drink, who would likely be drunk in 10 mins time anyway due to allready consumed alcohol, etc and things like that, please discuss
i cant really comment on this much with my own opinion, as im just baffled by this
dont most people go out to get drunk anyway?
and whats the difference between a drunk and a stupid fally over drunk?
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hitting the most disenfranchised people in the whole of the binge drinking economy seems like the cheap way out, particularly as most bar staff do not have an effective trade union.
on the one hand it does help ostensibly in enforcement terms by restricting the drug at the point of procurement and will undoubtedly make staff think twice before serving, however it is not simply this that is needed, rather a deeper cultural challenge which will be harder and take longer to achieve.
Would just like to say that between the violence, the hours, the pay and now this... i can quite envisage a situation in which bar staff start striking on friday and saturday nights if this law starts to bite...tbh any other industry would have long ago..
Also, the law on serving drunks has been around since the 1964 revision of the Licensing Act but its only now that it is being enforced properly.
Being drunk on licensed premises is in and of itself a crime.
Yikes. Its a bit worrying how often I've broken the law.
We've all seen paralytic people being escorted out by security, but this time its the bar staff who serve in that state that are being hit.
One of my true worrys with this is that certain people are going to be made examples of, who really cannot afford to be...
As far as I'm concerned bar staff have always refused to served people at their discretion if they judge the punter to be a bit too drunk. What's the point in this fine?
Theoretically you are "drunk" if you go above the drink driving limit are you not? So does this mean people will only be allowed 1 and a half pints of beer in a pub?
What bullshit...
My worries is that bar staff could serve someone who they don't think is drunk, perhaps someone just being loud and a slight slurring of words, but the police take a different view.
Allowing the proles to get drunk was the state's way of keeping them placid in '1984'.
Seriously silly, and to be honest not something all that different from what is currently in place apart from (and i dont like using this but here i think justified) 'headline-grabing' initiatives that roll off the tongue.
the govenment really dont like us, longer drinking hours (which by the way, is hardly going to be granted anywhere so its a bit moot) AND the possibility of being fined in the line of duty...shame we dont have a decent union...
All the clubs would have to be wrapped in cotton wool...
its no-ones fault, the same way as if you got injured playing football.. maybe it could of been avoided and a certain person may have done it but, no one is physically going to blame them, as it was your choice to play football, same as its your choice to get drunk.
I just think being drunk should not be an offence. You should only have to start paying fines for actual things you do wrong, i.e walking into a table because your drunk, maybe you should be kicked out as it could spoil the atmosphere for others (up to the landord really) it should only become a fine when its criminal damage i.e you kick a chair in a drunken mood swing. You cant fine the drunken people that are happy having a laugh celebrating a birthday or something maybe a bit to loud and talking nonsense, its not fair to fine them!
actually at the moment you can, and also the police can and DO arrest people walking home drunk even if they are not causing a disturbance
are you serious? drunk people staggering around with drinks, knocking into people, spilling drinks, making the place unsafe. Thats EXACTLEY the place where they will cause problems.
Especially here I find, I worry about knocking someone cos i'll get smacked.
While at uni if this happened you would become involved in a conversation about complete bollocks. :yes:
Dont go running away with the idea that Uni students are all a nice homogenous group of upstanding young people.
I've said before im at a good uni; We've had a blade pulled at a halls party, burglary BY STUDENTS, numerous rucks HAVE occured...
I know, I'm just saying I don't have the massive fear that i do when I'm going out here. :nervous:
well get them for the actual criminal thing they do then like fighting where i live, it seems the police tend to leave the potential fights alone and try chat up the girls
theres crimes for fighting and being a twat, dont need any more
can someone explain the thing about why in some places you cant have drink in your hands on the streets or a £500 fine, what about if i actually want a cold lager to relax in the decent weather, or if im having a drink on the way to a club so i dont have to pay the extortionate prices
you cannot have a legal state in which people can walk or stumble around in whatever state they choose.
How strictly you enforce that is another matter.
I go out and get smashed. I have that one fatal drink "too many" and the person who serves me gets blamed and fined by the police.
I then have grounds for diminished/no liability for whatever it was I did and the police have already proved my case for me.
So I can go home and get into a messy domestic or whatever and according to the law it's the bartenders fault for serving me too much ale as I have already been judged incapable of even being able to order a drink let alone make any other sort of decision.
Mental. (Thanks for doing the taxation by default bit already.)
Of course, it goes to illustrate just how stupid those who think Labour, in any form, represent "looking after the poor". Because it'll be the poor (as always) who get screwed into the ground by yet another fixed penalty nightmare.
ETA: Interesting to note the FPNs to be issued to children caught purchasing alcohol. If you're a poor kid you will lose a FORTUNE, but if you are a rich child caught under-age drinking (let's, for argument's sake, choose Euan Blair as an example) it won't cost you anything. If my child was caught buying booze it'd cost me two day's work, whereas if the son of Lord Poncey-C.unt was caught it'd cost him two minutes' work.
I hate this Government. How can anyone seriously consider voting for them?
Would have been bad news at the bar I worked at years ago, the staff were usually all completely stoned and can't see how that could be used as a defence.
how do you define too drunk? don't you just hate the killjoys