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What are you talking about? lol. You take a pill maybe every 3 hours...once you come down from the lsd you choose when to comedown from the E...there is no problem with seratonin depletion.
If you haven't done it...you can't really comment.
Ok, I didn't ask for a lecture :thumb: .
what ARE you talking about...there is no problem with E and serotonin depletion...if we follow you're logical about 'choosing' when to come down from pills, why can't people then stay up on them indefinately? There IS a problem with serotonin depletion (ffs its called a comedown...)
again flawed...are you seriously saying to me that everyone who has never taken a chemical or chemical combination can never be allowed to comment...plenty of learned toxicologists and Pharmacologists would disagree and as Bong stated theres only so far you can push that arguement...
no but you posted on a public board asking for opinions. Question them by all means but dont post asking for comments and then be pissed of with how they are worded or how long they are...
Nothing you have said makes any decent challenge to anything i've put up...you just dont like it because i havent done it and im not whole heartedly endorsing it...
This is the mutha of all drugs and will get you wrecked more than anything ever. It's not just visuals, loss of body functions but it's powerful in your mind and you will see the world in a different place. The bigger the line the deeper you go. Personally I love the stuff and I love taking small lines in clubs. I'm not going into explaining how it makes you feel as it's vertually impossible.
Rememebr little blasts at a time, you don't want to hole! (holing is a bit like a trance)
and as it's an anesthetic, you won'y feel much pain...also dangerous.
Whatever you do...never mix with alcohol, you'll be violently ill.
oh you can stay intoxicated and stimulated for sure...but that special thing, that added zing, the empathetic feeling derrived from the effect on serotonin production is the limited part of the E...then again every brain is different, and the knock off point at which it starts to fade will differ from person to person....there is at least the distinct possibility that the empathetic euphoria could start to fade or that other adverse mental factors could present themselves toward the end of that 12 hour period...
thats what i was getting at...its a flawed challenge to the legitimacy of the points i was making
i dont pretend to have a comprehensive understanding of the effects that this chemical combination will have upon you (could anyone
:rolleyes:
But then that's true with so many things in life.
I'm not saying everyone should do it, I'm just saying I've done it and enjoyed it.
ket is indeed one of the wierdest drugs you can take and not like any other substance you're likely to come across.
Going into a K-hole you mgiht enter your own personal hell, or you mgiht end up with the msot amazing experience. thinking you're dead is not necessarily a bad thing, friend thought she was dead when she went into a hole, but decided she didn't really mind if she was at the time cos she was having that much fun.
but yeah, ket is a very strong wierd drug not too be taken too lightly!
I was just trying to offer you some advice to stop you topping yourself, but what you do is up to you.
If you haven't been overdoing E beforehand - so your seratonin levels are pretty normal - i don't really foresee any problems with staying high for 12 hours...12 hours is pretty normal in terms of the duration of an E experience.
I've never had a problem with staying high for 12 hours, no-one I know has either.
The main problem with candyflipping is potentially getting paranoia from the E...which would be pretty nasty on lsd. But then you can always just come up on the E first. It's just getting off to a good start that's most important.
Ok fair enough, i was probably being sharp...drug-induced moodswings.
MDA will last longer and MDMA with methamphetamine will last longer, but you can not get pure ephoria from MDMA for 12 hours straight.
You can be intoxicated and you can feel happy, but you cant get that pure MDMA feeling for that long.
I wouldn't suggest it, its not going to be good for your organs and probably isnt all that good for your brain either.
I've never had a problem maintaining a good E high for 12 hours...maybe the highest plateau peaks half way through...obviously we're talking random unknown pills here...but maintaining a high & avoiding a comedown across the duration of an acid trip is not a problem.
there certainly exists the possibility...i guess the consensual thing must be if you are going to try it out, be confident (as far as you can) of your own mental disposition and be with some people who arent entirely fucked...
look mate, if you hear and dont agree with the advice you are given thats fine, but remember that its people of Bongbudda's disposition who are going to pick you up (or at least try) if something goes wrong with your adventures that you had'nt forseen....a little bit less contempt for them would be good
He was quite pissed and tooted a lot of K, then woke up at 3am in A&E. His parents werent all that impressed.
That and there might be the tolerance issue too.
But mixing it!!! Dear Lord, heads need to be examined! I am all for individual choice in partaking in drugs but this takes the proverbial biscuit.
Actually, it doesn't, it is a disassociative anasthetic, so it works on the nerve endings, not the CNS. That is why it is used in children. Have a look at the information on theSite and Erowid for more information.
Indeed, as I mentioned earlier.
Do they still use it though, I know up untill relatively recently they used it with elderly people who had dodgy tickers. But for the life of me I cant find out whether its still in use.
I know most of the time now they use fentanyl or the usual gas.
Fentanyl doesnt have much affect on the CNS either and nor does GHB unless in massive doses, though GHB doesn't kill pain, which makes it of less use.
If you must take it......Please say you are not injecting it!!!! And that it is relatively small amounts!!!
I had thought it was being phased out and replaced with things like Fentanyl because people trip out on the stuff occasionally.
Most people will snort the drug, though some use it orally, which is much harder to dose and can be very frightening.
Physically by itself it is a relatively safe drug though.
Physically by itself it is a relatively safe drug though.[/QUOTE]
In small doses, aye. But be warned snorting damages the nasal passages. Personally I wouldn't risk it with ketamine. Fatal in large doses. Make sure you are with a sober someone you trust!!
And remember it is an anaesthetic and are at greater risk of hurting yourself without realising it.
Is Fentanyl a disassociative too, Bong?
My medical contact says they do still use it in young children, becuse they don't have a developed sense of self to be dis-associated from it is one of the safer anaesthetics for them to use.
No, its a powerful anesthetic opiate.
I mean that people trip out on ketamine so they are replacing it with things like Fentanyl, sorry if I wasnt clear.