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Big Brother in the Classroom

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Head introduces CCTV into all classrooms

utterly ridiculous, IMO, this really is too much :no:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It doesnt surprise me in the least, its not a great solution but what the hell are you supposed to do?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Give them a hard slap in the face when they behave like utter brats? ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    Give them a hard slap in the face when they behave like utter brats? ;)
    Sadly with the system as it is now, if a teacher does that, they will end up in court. That said, if they're accused of that, they'll be treated like a criminal by the police, dragged before the courts and their reputation torn to shreds.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    Give them a hard slap in the face when they behave like utter brats? ;)

    Its far more likely to be the student attacking the teacher these days.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    If you have nothing to hide...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If you have nothing to hide...

    And every reasonable person should loath that saying, but in some schools and colleges its a tough decision.

    I know a few people who work in London colleges and the level of violence really is scary, stabbings, beatings and so on are common.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    From the article it would seem that they are using them to monitor the teachers rather than the pupils, so I suppose if the teachers don't mind, there isn't much harm in them getting feedback on their lessons and on the way they teach.

    It seems like a huge waste of time using it to watch the kids though. Surely the headteacher has a thousand and one other things he could be doing? It'll probably be only a matter of time before he's accused of being some kind of pervert though. :no:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I can imagine some clever teacher offering to show the tapes to little Johnny's parents if he doesn't stop talking...

    Think bongbudda hit the nail on the head unfortunately.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Its not actually the classrooms where they should be put though really, it should be outside, in the common rooms, places like that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would love to be in one of those class rooms, just sitting their reading a porn mag waiting for the principle to look through the camera at me. Then i would laugh all the way to detention.

    the cameras aren't there for security reasons, they're there because some school administrators feel that they have the right to but into classroom affairs.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If you have nothing to hide...

    so you must be John Ashcrofts long lost brother? :yes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    so you must be John Ashcrofts long lost brother? :yes:

    Nah, his love child.

    That or someone with his tongue planted very much in his cheek.

    CCTV is the lazy answer, personally would prefer if the root cuase was resolved rather than an ineffective waste of funds like these cameras.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    in theory, it seems like an alright idea, but as many people have already pointed out, there'll be a lot of problems
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Im all for it tbh.

    Pupils aint gonna play up as much and also if there is any confrontation of any kind its there for everyone to see.

    Cant see a problem at all..............unless someone can put better arguments for not having them, then I might change my mind.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    IT GETS SCARIER!
    every single one of us is being monitered more and more ...from birth to death.
    it is erroding what being human is all about.
    some poor kid will be taken into the digitising room to be shown how many times he daydreams ...so his day dreaming will be curtailed.
    every 'normal' habit will be scrutinised and attended to.
    your all wishing this stuff on us ...in all the science fiction books i ever read ...the people were fighting it off!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think the idea is good and it isn't much different to cameras being in shops, or carparks... The way kids are today, I think it's a good deterrent for bullies. Or at least you'd catch the shites.

    Some kids these days are too cocky.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    it's all to easy to qoute the positives ...
    the negatives of this technology are bigger darker and closing in on your humanity.
    it is a sign of living in a very dangerous society when we have to watch each and every individual ...cos they cannot be trusted to behave in a honest and sociable manner.
    our great civilisation has bred uncertainty violence and mistrust to a scary point when the inviduals in large numbers start giving their blessing to being put under survielance.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That or someone with his tongue planted very much in his cheek.
    :lol:

    my complete apologies, irony loses a little something over the internet and such.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MoonRat wrote:
    I think the idea is good and it isn't much different to cameras being in shops, or carparks... The way kids are today, I think it's a good deterrent for bullies. Or at least you'd catch the shites.

    Some kids these days are too cocky.

    All CCTV does is move the problem away from the area covered. Now, unless you advocate CCTV covering every inch of the country, it just isn't the answer.

    CCTV in town centres has just moved crime out into the 'burbs, or into the rural areas.

    Another problemwith CCTV is that it is reactive. No use until a crime has been comitted, at which point it is useful for offering some identification the person who committed the crime. Of course, some people will disguise themselves or hide their faces. So, it fails in those instances.

    What we really need is a system which will prevent crime in the first place.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    my complete apologies, irony loses a little something over the internet and such.

    Well, it's not like I used a smilie to show that I was joking. Regulars would have realised though... sorry.

    Massively anti CCTV and ID cards...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I hate the idea, or at least my nerve response is to hate it. But I'm completely at a loss as to what to actually do about violence in schools.

    Any idea MoK?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    it seems like it's going too far, but from reading the stories i did when i was thinking of going into teaching, it's probably not the worst idea ever.

    you are safer walking the streets alone at night than you are teaching in some schools.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bongbudda wrote:
    I hate the idea, or at least my nerve response is to hate it. But I'm completely at a loss as to what to actually do about violence in schools.

    It's not about the schools themselves, what happens there is just a symptom of a greater malaise. Schools aren't the only place where violence has increased and we should start by not seing these incidents in isolation.

    The sooner we recognise the need for greater discipline and less excuse making for our kids the better.

    There is nothing new for me to suggest, no magic formula which no-one has every thought of before. It's about zero tolerance from an early age and too many parents can't say "no".

    I'm not advocating smacking, I'm not advocating the cane, but unless we instill the lessons of "right" and "wrong" early enough then things like this will occur.

    I think that history proves that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So, maybe parenting skills classes?

    I saw a mother cave into her little girl in the post office recently, it was shameful to watch. The kid half wailed, really fake and the mother just bought the crappy toy straight away. The kid didnt even seem that interested. Maddness.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bongbudda wrote:
    So, maybe parenting skills classes?

    I think that we teach many academic subjects through school, many of which only affect a minority of people in the long run. Yet here is a subject which has far reaching implications on society as a whole and we offer little support.

    Hardly common sense being applied.
    I saw a mother cave into her little girl in the post office recently, it was shameful to watch. The kid half wailed, really fake and the mother just bought the crappy toy straight away.

    Yes, funny how we think that material goods will buy silence, or disciplined behaviour isn't it? Of course what lesson has this child just learned? Make a fuss and you'll get a new toy... as you say madness.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What was worst about it was the kid didnt even have to put up a proper crying fit, it was so half arsed on the kids side.

    As for parenting skills classes, the problem is however, who sets the work? Who says this is the way to raise a kid?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bongbudda wrote:
    As for parenting skills classes, the problem is however, who sets the work? Who says this is the way to raise a kid?

    There you have a tough question. Should the Govt be telling us how to raise our children. Personally, I think that they have a role to play.

    Certainly I think that we should be informing youngsters of the pros and cons surronding how they raise children, what the implications are of certain acts.

    TBH though, this really fits in with the whole relationships part of growing up. My personal opinion is that too many people don't wait long enough before starting a family and that their relationship often isn't strong enough to cope with the changes to lifestyle which having children causes. Again, I suspect that ignorance is a major part of that. I don't think that people realise just how much impact it has.

    It's all very well having pre-natal classes, but it's a bit late by then ;)

    But even this appears to reflect a genral malaise in society generally, a lack of patience. Instead of waiting until the time is right, or until you can afford it, too many people want everything NOW.. whether that is the nicest car, best furniture, posh house or a little Chardonnay/Wayne...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes, but then we are wandering into the fluffy liberal idea of, oh it would be nice if, and the government should do something about that.

    I do think that PHSE education should be given a MUCH bigger role in the school, start earlier and include a much bigger range of topics.

    Like with so many measures they cost now and pay off when the government in power isnt around, so they dont like doing it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bongbudda wrote:
    Yes, but then we are wandering into the fluffy liberal idea of

    No, the fluffy liberal ideas are that there is an excuse for why children misbehave and that we shouldn't impinge on their individuality. It's bollocks.

    Kids misbehave because they know no better, or to get attention.
    Like with so many measures they cost now and pay off when the government in power isnt around, so they dont like doing it.

    Too right. Politics eh? Never solves the real problems, only ever about grabbing votes. It's why I should be made the Supreme Leader...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No, the fluffy liberal ideas are that there is an excuse for why children misbehave and that we shouldn't impinge on their individuality. It's bollocks.

    Kids misbehave because they know no better, or to get attention.

    Too right. Politics eh? Never solves the real problems, only ever about grabbing votes. It's why I should be made the Supreme Leader...

    Your right, an example of liberal child care can be seen with Ned Flanders parents "We dont believe in rules man"

    I'm not sure I trust you enough to make you Supreme Leader, though the ideal of the nice dictator is a great one. It sort of works in China.
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