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Big Brother in the Classroom
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Its far more likely to be the student attacking the teacher these days.
If you have nothing to hide...
And every reasonable person should loath that saying, but in some schools and colleges its a tough decision.
I know a few people who work in London colleges and the level of violence really is scary, stabbings, beatings and so on are common.
It seems like a huge waste of time using it to watch the kids though. Surely the headteacher has a thousand and one other things he could be doing? It'll probably be only a matter of time before he's accused of being some kind of pervert though. :no:
Think bongbudda hit the nail on the head unfortunately.
the cameras aren't there for security reasons, they're there because some school administrators feel that they have the right to but into classroom affairs.
so you must be John Ashcrofts long lost brother? :yes:
Nah, his love child.
That or someone with his tongue planted very much in his cheek.
CCTV is the lazy answer, personally would prefer if the root cuase was resolved rather than an ineffective waste of funds like these cameras.
Pupils aint gonna play up as much and also if there is any confrontation of any kind its there for everyone to see.
Cant see a problem at all..............unless someone can put better arguments for not having them, then I might change my mind.
every single one of us is being monitered more and more ...from birth to death.
it is erroding what being human is all about.
some poor kid will be taken into the digitising room to be shown how many times he daydreams ...so his day dreaming will be curtailed.
every 'normal' habit will be scrutinised and attended to.
your all wishing this stuff on us ...in all the science fiction books i ever read ...the people were fighting it off!
Some kids these days are too cocky.
the negatives of this technology are bigger darker and closing in on your humanity.
it is a sign of living in a very dangerous society when we have to watch each and every individual ...cos they cannot be trusted to behave in a honest and sociable manner.
our great civilisation has bred uncertainty violence and mistrust to a scary point when the inviduals in large numbers start giving their blessing to being put under survielance.
my complete apologies, irony loses a little something over the internet and such.
All CCTV does is move the problem away from the area covered. Now, unless you advocate CCTV covering every inch of the country, it just isn't the answer.
CCTV in town centres has just moved crime out into the 'burbs, or into the rural areas.
Another problemwith CCTV is that it is reactive. No use until a crime has been comitted, at which point it is useful for offering some identification the person who committed the crime. Of course, some people will disguise themselves or hide their faces. So, it fails in those instances.
What we really need is a system which will prevent crime in the first place.
Well, it's not like I used a smilie to show that I was joking. Regulars would have realised though... sorry.
Massively anti CCTV and ID cards...
Any idea MoK?
you are safer walking the streets alone at night than you are teaching in some schools.
It's not about the schools themselves, what happens there is just a symptom of a greater malaise. Schools aren't the only place where violence has increased and we should start by not seing these incidents in isolation.
The sooner we recognise the need for greater discipline and less excuse making for our kids the better.
There is nothing new for me to suggest, no magic formula which no-one has every thought of before. It's about zero tolerance from an early age and too many parents can't say "no".
I'm not advocating smacking, I'm not advocating the cane, but unless we instill the lessons of "right" and "wrong" early enough then things like this will occur.
I think that history proves that.
I saw a mother cave into her little girl in the post office recently, it was shameful to watch. The kid half wailed, really fake and the mother just bought the crappy toy straight away. The kid didnt even seem that interested. Maddness.
I think that we teach many academic subjects through school, many of which only affect a minority of people in the long run. Yet here is a subject which has far reaching implications on society as a whole and we offer little support.
Hardly common sense being applied.
Yes, funny how we think that material goods will buy silence, or disciplined behaviour isn't it? Of course what lesson has this child just learned? Make a fuss and you'll get a new toy... as you say madness.
As for parenting skills classes, the problem is however, who sets the work? Who says this is the way to raise a kid?
There you have a tough question. Should the Govt be telling us how to raise our children. Personally, I think that they have a role to play.
Certainly I think that we should be informing youngsters of the pros and cons surronding how they raise children, what the implications are of certain acts.
TBH though, this really fits in with the whole relationships part of growing up. My personal opinion is that too many people don't wait long enough before starting a family and that their relationship often isn't strong enough to cope with the changes to lifestyle which having children causes. Again, I suspect that ignorance is a major part of that. I don't think that people realise just how much impact it has.
It's all very well having pre-natal classes, but it's a bit late by then
But even this appears to reflect a genral malaise in society generally, a lack of patience. Instead of waiting until the time is right, or until you can afford it, too many people want everything NOW.. whether that is the nicest car, best furniture, posh house or a little Chardonnay/Wayne...
I do think that PHSE education should be given a MUCH bigger role in the school, start earlier and include a much bigger range of topics.
Like with so many measures they cost now and pay off when the government in power isnt around, so they dont like doing it.
No, the fluffy liberal ideas are that there is an excuse for why children misbehave and that we shouldn't impinge on their individuality. It's bollocks.
Kids misbehave because they know no better, or to get attention.
Too right. Politics eh? Never solves the real problems, only ever about grabbing votes. It's why I should be made the Supreme Leader...
Your right, an example of liberal child care can be seen with Ned Flanders parents "We dont believe in rules man"
I'm not sure I trust you enough to make you Supreme Leader, though the ideal of the nice dictator is a great one. It sort of works in China.