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My MP didn't even vote. :rolleyes:
11th safest seat in england mind you http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/?pid=10596
I thought this was supposed to be an important issue...
Have a look on the second link (red=voted yes, yellow=didn't vote, green=voted no).
Click "name" and it'll sort by name.
Talk about 'good days to bury bad news'.
It was a brilliant front page:D
1. They are a genunine waste of money
2. As they will be the "ultimate" form of ID they when faked will be the "ultimate" form of fake ID, and regardless of the safegaurds faked they will be.
3. I've yet to see the link between terrorism and ID cards, in fact I've yet to see a link between Iraq and terrorism, to me the Government have been looking at ID Cards for years and they have "jumped on the bangwagon" of terrorism.
4. They suck.
As long as they are efficiently introduced and the government doesn't waste loads of money.
I had one for 18 years in Belgium and it didn't give anyone any control over me.
It was useful, you can use it to prove who you are, get into clubs/pubs etc., use it as a deposit when renting something.
I object to the law saying one has to carry their ID card at all times though- fuck that.
The problem I have with these ID cards is that they will have chips and interactivity. One thing is to have a card for the purpose of visual identification (say the staff at the bank counter checking that you are who you say you are), and another is having a card with a chip that might register in a database where you are, what are you buying or where are you going.
That's far too close to a Big Brother state for my liking.
Do you think it's fair for people who, say, go for a jog in the park or down the corner shop to buy the paper in the morning, to be made to carry an ID card or risk a fine?
Something deeply unpleasant about the concept.
I've been stopped by the police before and I didn't have my ID card on me but they weren't bothered.
Anyone with a UK photo driving license already has an ID card, I don't mind carrying a card around with a mugshot of me on it. I do mind being forced to, and I do mind giving my finger prints and my iris scan over to the Government for them to store on a big database. I do resent having to pay £70 to do so, on top of the £11 BILLION in taxpayers money that many experts are predicting.
A mugshot I wouldn't object to; I already have about ten things with mugshots on in my wallet, another one won't make any difference. They're useful.
I just don't trust the Government to keep my intimate biometric details on record; I don't trust them to not use them maliciously against political campaigners.
thats the thing, if they said - "since many of yous dont get drivers licenses and you need a way to prove who you are, we'll be introducing a VISUAL id which will be a mugshot proof, and when you get a drivers license, the driver license extra info will be stored on the card" - im sure noone would complain and theyd be welcome
the idea of a big central database, and in terrms of practicality since this is a government IT project. possibly the biggest one in the world at the moment, i trust it even less in terms of financial viability, on top of the stupid cost of introducing it
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/?pid=10882
I'm very much on the fence regarding ID cards. While an official photo ID would be good (especially for idiot bus drivers), making it compulsory and the great cost (around £70 one person said on here at one point and obviously the amount of tax that would go into it) puts me off the idea.
Rt Hon Stephen Dorrell Con Charnwood nonvoter
Just so you know that the Tories actually support ID cards too, but don't have the bottle to admit it.
i mean, they're a good idea in theory, but i definately can't afford to pay for one
this would then mean that if i was caught without it, i would have to apy a fine, which i also couldn't afford and it would not end nicely
it wouldn't be so bad if the government just issued them to everyone, or just brought the priec down a bit more
Does the fact that the government will hold your intimate personal biological details on file not scare you also?
Bearing in mind, of course, that this Government's Prime Minister frecently denounced civil liberties as "old fashioned" and "irrelevant".
they would easily find a way
but still, the price is more of an issue for me cos they don't care if a poor individual can't afford it
The price isn't going to be an issue, it'll be fudged. Instead of it being £50, it'll just be £50 extra on income tax.
Though I presume that you're not so poor as to not have a passport.
neither my mother, father or 2 of my brothers have passports. the only reason my other brother does is that he is in the army
so therfore, i am that poor
Would you support an ID card if it cost you, directly at least, nothing?
however, there needs to be a very critical look at what the government can do with our information, and what information should be on the card, as well as what other laws might be affected by it, i.e. civil liberties