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The Independent cover is great, I usually buy it and the Guardian anyway but looked at it and thought I would especially today. Good old Independent with real news. Also I like it because Mark Steel writes in it occasionly :thumb
ETA: The wedding isnt even mentioned until page 6.
youre taking this rather personally, racist attacks as a whole are rising, and no group deserve special treatment in tackling it
yeh its worrying the amount of ignorance and lack of "as long you arent attacking anyone else with your beliefs its okay"
my thoughts myself as i read through this trend were similar- is it jus a rise in anti-semetic incidents or was it universal? im sure if i'd asked for data to compare then i would not have been called racist. you're all welcome to disagree, stop thinking it's a personal vendetta.
and JtR- what about the african americans who have faced persecution and slavery throughout generations?? the 1500s, they were persecuted slaves, and even after the abolition of slavery, they had few to no rights, and still today they face persecution. and the indigenous american tribes, whose culture was abolished in the 1500s, and even when autonomy was returned to the region in the 1800s was still not allowed to practice any of its culture, then facing the dictators of the 1900s...and generations today are still facing a struggle for their rights. it isn't just one ethnic group who are having troubles- it's human nature.
Where have I said they do?
you haven't specifically, but you are taking it rather personally, i think people are trying to show you that other groups recieve the attacks too. you got a bit irate when evidence was asked for across a whole range of ethnic groups rather than just accepting what you were saying about you being correct.
No one has called fiend any of those things, contrary she's the one to suggest that I was racist. Maybe she is being unfair?
Again, no one is belittling other groups hardships. The headline spoke about anti-semitism and that was what I was commenting on.
No one was commenting on her wanting statistics... I really didn't care about her asking for those. I couldn't produc the links, so left it alone. As said it isn't a competition, and I was talking about a specific headline. Not in general.
sorry JtR, but yes lukesh did- perhaps i got mixed up with including you tho, apologies! i think my point to you was meant to say that she wasn't nitpicking, but genuinely interested as to whether it was across the board.
The Independant
It's a shame it costs a bit more than most over papers.
The royals will always make front page. I remember when I was a kid the queen fell off her horse and it made the headlines. I was like what the hell?. Considering there had been an earthquake somewhere else in the world... I mean how many people around the UK actually ever discuss the royal family when they aren't making the front page? It's not like a major factor in our lives is it.
Again, I wonder if "literature" criticisng Israeli policies, for example, would count as anti-Semitic.
I do think this is a complex problem, simply because Israel is supposedly the Jewish state, so Judaism and Israel become one and the same to the eyes of outsiders, and Israel's actions come to represent all Jews. It then becomes less shocking that innocent Jews will bear the brunt of people's objections to the same.
Then it is very unfortunate for her that she does it in such a way, where it continues a trend from other threads.
Hizb-Ut-Tahrir in Denmark gave out leaflets as well as their homepage saying to kill the Jews wherever you see them.
That doesn't make it legitimate though. Especially not when it said Jews and Wherever.
I see the difference between Jews and Israelis. Apparently you don't.
That's what I got out of your previous post which I originally replied to.
Do you really not see a difference between venting frustrations with Israel and anti-Semitism?
Of course printing leaflets that tell readers to kill Jews is wrong. But if the views are based on an objection to Israeli defence policy then I think it is absurd to claim that the views are genuinely anti-Semitic.
Is Israel didn't claim the title 'Jewish state', do you think the same level of anti-Semitism would exist?
"Jew takes anti-semitic attacks personally" shocker...
Seriously, what did you expect?
To be fair, I don't think Jacq has ever denied that, but the story wasn't about other racist attacks, was it?
I'm dubious of the figures, but I casnnot deny that I have seen a rise in anti-semitism, partly because, Kentish, too many people cannot separate Israel and Judaism. It works both ways.
To me these figures represent no more than an increased awareness of race when crime is reported and for that I blame the Lawrence Inquiry...
Actually it is proposed that the Jews survival is because of their success at integrating into the societies in which they have been living, all while keeping up with their culture.
I mean the Danish equivalent to the BNP party always uses Jews as an example of good integration.
My grandmother came here at the age of 50+ and still read Danish papers and novels translated to Danish (even when she could read the original language). That is integration. Especially when she was that old and didn't work.