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Every opinion has something of validity doesn't it? Just because somebody's ideas are not politically correct doesn't mean that they're not worth anything... It's like reading a movie review that says a film is great and then you watch it and find out that it's a gash film. To you the film was gash but to somebody else it was fantastic.
Because at the end of the day who is truelly right? How should society be?
Somebody has a different opinion to you... why tell them to fuck off? Isn't it important to understand the motives of people's ideals (if that's the best way to put it) instead of taking a good vs evil stance with it. The human mind isn't as simple as being good and bad.
anyone who thinks that rape/genocide/murder/unprovoked violence is justified can fuck right off in my opinion to make an extreme example.
would you say himmlerr has valid points to make with some of his more radical ideas?
Dunno what nckdn would say on that one...
I don't believe sexual violence is justified, or genocide, race crimes but there's a difference in holding an opinion and then acting on it isn't there. Which basically is what I'm trying to get across.
We can't get along with every person... But behind an opinion there's something that influences it and something that drives it. To go out and kill somebody there would have to be a drive wouldn't there? (excluding mental patients)
But being abusive to people with differing opinions... where does it get you? If you believe their ideals are hatred then aren't you showing hatred back to them?
people would be a lot more ****ish if they knew there wasn't gonna be a reprisal for their actions.
i'm not abusive to toehrs unless they are to me and then it's fair game. if i don't like them and think they're scum for the views they hold then why should i pretend otherwise?
"if you believe their ideals are hatred then aren't you showing hatred back to them?"
i believe their ideals are idiotic and morally wrong. i don't care if someone hates someone, but hate them for who they are rather than what they are. i.e. if people think i'm a **** for my personality then fair enough, if they hate becasue of where my ancestors came from then they can go take a running jump off a high cliff.
im not disputing that it was purely about where you lived, and thats why i find it hard to believe how you can justify reporting it
i made the connection in my head from where you said you lived and evidence as to where the stormfront nckdn lives
so reporting me for lying isnt going to stick, and you missed the whole problem here
what amuses me is that everyone else in this thread has got over it and is ignoring us both, where as you seem to be the only with the problem in realising that im not lying about the content of your PM
So if we went to some parts of Africa and started talking about how female circumcision is sick... then our opinions aren't valid? Or valid to the society?
Essentially it's kind of like a covert form of social control, hostility towards people who's opinions don't fit the social norms (I'm not aiming it at you or saying you're hostile)... Kinda something that'd put people off holding those opinions.
Why didn't you say all that earlier? Anybody reading your first post (even me!) would have assumed that I said something unpleasant and incriminating in my PM. Why didn't you clarify it after I first asked you about it, you daft sod?
one thing that worries me is that the amount of posts of yours i saw that early in the next morning you had gone through and edited
please note that is not an accusation of anything, just makes me feel personally uneasy
What have I said to suggest I'm a psycho who endorses rape or genocide? Leave me out of your conversation if you're gonna make daft comments like this one.
i honestly went through all of the threads you have posted in, and for about the first half i honestly thought i had you wrong and that you were ok
but then we started hitting the immigration ones, and the footballs ones, you generalised in one post and inncinuated that certain [thought didnt state which] ethnic groups are more susceptable to gang rape and torture
and we never did get a straight answer to what been english really meant
well the last part, i cant describe what being any nationality is about its just there
hmm he does seem a bit over the top, but he isnt TOO bad
You're talking rubbish MrG, nothing I've posted suggests even the slightest malice to anybody, much less that I have justified "rape/murder/genocide/unprovoked violence". Quote me. As for gang rape and torture, I think you're misremembering the stupid immigration poll, the options for which I have apologised. Even there I didn't claim there's a difference between races or ethnic groups in their levels of crime. I may have said elsewhere that there are different crime rates between races and ethnic groups, and of course there are. Don't blame me , blame the criminals. When Blagsta first asked me to explain what I meant by 'English' in the footballer thread I answered him in my next post. He must have asked the question about 12 more times, and said I'd refused to answer the question. At least twice I've posted that he should look back at the thread and see that I answered immediately. I went into some detail in that post, later in the thread I explicitly said it had nothing to do with race. Here's a link to my response http://vbulletin.thesite.org.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73502&perpage=15&pagenumber=2
I enjoy a debate, even an argument, but it's tiresome if I have to argue constantly with your ideas of what my opinions are, rather than defend the opinions I actually express on the board. If you're gonna trawl my posts to find something to argue with, please quote me accurately, argue against what I've actually posted, and read my replies.
I'll show you how guilty you, Blagsta, and I suspect others are of imagining what my opinions are rather than simply accepting that my opinions are expressed by my posts - I haven't actually posted my view on immigration in any thread. But you all think you know it don't you?
oh dear lord
No you didn't. Liar.
Nope, you haven't answered my question.
What are your views then? You never seem to come right out and state them, you just slyly insinuate stuff.
stargalaxy: nckdn said that on the last page, i know that is a load of baollox, i do realise this looks like a bit of a witch hunt, but regardless of wether this is a witchhunt or not, it was only alledged through reasonable connection, and the fact that nckdn has made a number of dubious posts if you can be bothered looking back through them
I agree.
Er.... no, that's completely wrong. It's perfectly alright to not respect a 'homosexual or a black person' (or a white person, a straight person, a blue person, whatever).
If you meant not respecting a person because of their sexuality or the colour of their skin, then yes, that's being a bigot. However, the difference between someone's skin colour, sexuality or sex, and opinions they hold are that people can't choose what sex, colour or sexuality they are, but they can choose what opinions they hold and I am absolutely not required to respect peoples' opinions if I think they are foolish, hateful or just plain wrong.
It doesn't resolve anything being aggressive to somebody because they're aggressive to another person or hold some form of elitism... Does it?
If you went out and beat the crap outta say... a member of the National Front wouldn't that make you a thug too?
"Compassion is the basis of all morality" - Schopenhauer
If we want to be 'morally superior' then isn't it better to turn the other cheek (yeah it's hard and I'm talking more in theory... I'm not perfect in the least) or try and understand why somebody holds these opinions?
Some people might well argue that sexuality is a choice, but we know where that path leads, and they're wrong. Why are you talking about being aggressive? I'm not saying I want to hate or assault people because of their beliefs, just that I by no means have to respect them. I'm not talking about being morally superior either, and whilst I do try to understand why people think certain things, the reality is that not all opinions are equal. Some people do hold opinions without basis which are simply wrong.
Now I'm not talking about taking away people's rights, or preventing them from marrying who they want to or what have you simply because of what they think, and I will absolutely and utterly defend their right to express their ideas. However, that doesn't mean I will necessarily respect them.
I think its reasonable to refuse to engage with a racist agenda.
The relevance of Nazis to this discussion is not about how they curtailed free speech ...............
It may be reasonable, but it's probably not the best approach; we should be arguing and explaining and fighting such ideas to ensure that the memes we do not like die out.
Has anyone mentioned regulating thought? No. So less of your paranoid ramblings thanks.
/me carefully points out to people that we are all entitled to split this board in two if we want to
and by in two, i mean like the generally non racists, and those with racist branded onto their tongues