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UN demands more police power

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    Errrr...yeah, 'cos that's why LabRat is wrong innit?

    Knob.

    How old are you?

    15?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Toadborg
    How old are you?

    15?

    Just responding in the spirit in which it was posted.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Toadborg
    Posting links is not the same as explianing yourself is it.

    No one else seems to have a problem understanding my posts. And (as I keep repeating), I'm hardly in the position to write a fucking thesis. If there is a link which backs up my position then I'll post it. That's debate.

    But for the record - LabRat is not an anarchist because the anarchist tradition comes from a class analysis of society and from a position of being against the private ownership of the means of production ("Property is theft"). Any political history book will tell you this. Free market libertarians only started using the term "anarchist" in the 1950's, whereas traditional anarchism has a much longer history.

    The US is not socialist because it does not have industry and services owned and operated by the state or by collectives. It is an economy based on capitalist enterprise. Again, any sixth form student should know this stuff.
    Originally posted by Toadborg
    From he that accused LAbrat of cowardice for not explaiing himself? :rolleyes:

    Can someone translate this please?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thankyou

    :)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The thing is, I've already done all that several times before. I get a bit sick of having to repeat myself.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    Just responding in the spirit in which it was posted.

    The "spirit in which it was posted" was perfectly sound, if not sarcastic. You hate systems like the US. Someone saying that system you hate exhibits characteristics similar to which you base your beliefs on causes you to vehemantly deny this by researching other people's analyses and posting them here.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by minimi38
    The "spirit in which it was posted" was perfectly sound, if not sarcastic. You hate systems like the US. Someone saying that system you hate exhibits characteristics similar to which you base your beliefs on causes you to vehemantly deny this by researching other people's analyses and posting them here.

    What drugs are you on?

    The US has what exactly in common with socialism?

    :confused:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Socialist characteristics of the USA:

    35% of the economy is controlled by the state through coercion,

    Medicare is beginning to be socialised,

    Welfare,

    Explosion of government spending,

    The federal reserve banking system,

    Protectionist tarrifs,

    School vouchers,

    Farm subsidies,

    Iraq (central planning, ridiculous no bid contracts such as halliburton, awarding contracts to american businesses only, cirfews on civilians, taxation, the INA etc),

    Press censorship,

    The FDA (bannign perfectly good Canadian drugs because they were *gasp* made in Canada)

    One of your sources even says "market economies in the United States and other capitalist countries have integrated aspects of socialist economic planning. Democratic countries typically place legal limits on the centralization of capital through anti-trust laws and limits on monopolies"


    So imagine yourself as an anarcho capitalist and you can see why they would think the US is socialist. Anything that isnt a total free market to them is socialist.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by minimi38

    So imagine yourself as an anarcho capitalist and you can see why they would think the US is socialist. Anything that isnt a total free market to them is socialist.

    I can no more imagine myself as an free market-libertarian than I can as the queen of England....

    None of that adds up to socialism.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Definition of socialism:

    "Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy. "

    The US does not have any industry controlled by the government, so it is not socialist on that ground. However, most of the points shown in my above post show distrubution of resources by a central government. Hence the US exhibits socialist characteristics.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It could even be argued that the fractional reserve banking system is state ownership of the money industry.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Are you on ket?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree with you Lab Rat. And he should be tried as a war criminal - along with Chirac - for war crimes that starved the Iraqis and denied them medicines.

    They are totally out of it if they think they are going be given any power by the US, they can't. Of course that leaves Bush and company in power and I don't like that either.

    For everyone's own good, the EU and the US need to learn how to work better together. We can't rely on the UN and you shouldn't have to just follow Bush. I don't have an answer.

    Great post Lab Rat.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The Americans are in for a big suprise when they bomb Iran.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think Israel will bomb Iran.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hah. They wont do nothing without an aircraft carrier or two backing them up.

    and when they do its moskite time!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    From what I read, they were just sold bunker busting bombs like those dropped on Iraq. And they did bomb Iraq when they claimed Iraq was developing a nuclear weapon. And they did say they won't allow an nuclear Iran. Of course one of the clerics in Iran said it would be their duty to bomb Israel even if it meant Iran's destruction. I don't know if the cleric was well thought of in Iran or just viewed as a nut. and I don't remember if I read that on a conservative news website like Fox. So in other words...the cleric might be someone no one listens to...or one who is a leader.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And guess who sold a bunch of moskites to Iran.

    They will probably try to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities, which is pointless. Israel can do nothing to end Iran as a nation.

    Can bunker busters even penetrate the mountains and caves which they built thier facilities under? They didnt do much good in Afghanistan to those supposed alqaeda/taliban caves.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I’m glad Bluestatesman agree with me. He is a young anti-Bushist anti-neocon American but he understands that UN is evil that gives me faith and hope.
    I’d like to explain my anti-UN position clearer. Bush is bombing Iraq without the UN’s approval that makes him a bad boy for many Europeans. But didn’t Bush Senior and Clinton do the same? The only difference is they were smart enough to get the UN sanction and in this way to create an illusion of legality of the war. But please answer a simple question, if a bomb that is dropped on your head had Koffin Anand’s signature on it would that make you happier?

    To Blagsta. It seems you are so mad at me not because of my opinions but because I use the word Anarchist. I would be glad to hand you a present but sorry I don’t want to give this excellent word up to commies. It’s enough that the other nice word, Liberalism is stolen by you. I don’t intend to give you a monopoly on all good words, I’m afraid I will stay without any vocabulary at all.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Many of us opposed the bombings carried out in Iraq before Bush went to war.... many didn't know about it.

    So anyway Labrat - now you're an "anarchist" that supports the US but not the UN.

    Thats nice.

    "bag of fucking snakes" or what?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by freethepeeps

    So anyway Labrat - now you're an "anarchist" that supports the US but not the UN.

    Thats nice.

    "bag of fucking snakes" or what?
    I’m shut up. What can I say?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hey peeps, pick any search engine, hit news, read any article listed about the UN.

    They are a corrupt mess. (I'm not pro war.)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LabRat
    To Blagsta. It seems you are so mad at me not because of my opinions but because I use the word Anarchist. I would be glad to hand you a present but sorry I don’t want to give this excellent word up to commies. It’s enough that the other nice word, Liberalism is stolen by you. I don’t intend to give you a monopoly on all good words, I’m afraid I will stay without any vocabulary at all.

    I really think you need to go back to school. Or at least read some political history. As it is, you're making an utter fool of yourself. :D
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by minimi38
    Socialist characteristics of the USA:

    35% of the economy is controlled by the state through coercion,

    You got a source for that figure? And which industries exactly are state owned in the US?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    btw LabTwat, how exactly is Liberalism associated with "commies"?

    Its funny how you like to deny reality all the time. :D Are you well?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    You got a source for that figure?

    I guessed it was around 35% and i was wrong. The figure is much higher.

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    Growth in federal spending.

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    Public sector employment growth.

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    Quoted from an atimes.com article:
    More than a quarter of America's population have university degrees, and nearly half have some post-secondary education. No European country, except possibly for the Netherlands, comes close. Even health care, "on which Europeans pride themselves, is abundantly available in the US, where the urban landscape is everywhere flecked with hospitals and clinics". Poverty among the elderly is low and most seniors are not a burden on their children, primarily because of two major social programs - Social Security and Medicare.

    Transfer payments

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    And which industries exactly are state owned in the US?
    Originally posted by minimi38

    The US does not have any industry directly controlled by the government, so it is not socialist on that ground.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If it doesn't have any industry controlled by the government, then its not socialist. Q.E.D.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It redistributes resources therefore it is socialist.
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