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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No thanks

    which part, sex, drugs, or vandalism? :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Martin_Bashir
    Which part, sex, drugs, or vandalism? :D
    All of it. I have no intention of having lots of promiscious sex, I have no plans to take huge amount of drugs and I don't wish to vandalise.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stargalaxy
    All of it. I have no intention of having lots of promiscious sex, I have no plans to take huge amount of drugs and I don't wish to vandalise.

    So just a little promiscious sex and a medium amount of drugs then?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by bongbudda
    So just a little promiscious sex and a medium amount of drugs then?
    No. I don't think my Christianity would allow it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't think my Christianity would allow it.

    is drug use in itself morally vicious?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Martin_Bashir
    is drug use in itself morally vicious?
    Erm... I'll get back to you on that, I need to think...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Martin_Bashir
    is drug use in itself morally vicious?

    It could be caught under the 'worshiping graven images' rule. In that you are putting the drug above your service to God. But that would really only apply in terms of addiction.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    exactly im talking about recreational use
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Martin_Bashir
    exactly im talking about recreational use

    Well one could argue that its not the drugs in of themselves but the funding of a black market which is morally dubious and therefore a Christian wouldnt want to.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stargalaxy
    Erm... I'll get back to you on that, I need to think...

    You don't need to think, you need to check scriptures, just so you're getting your ideas from the right place.

    Incidentally, what it so far has said to me is to not get drunk, which would suggest taking so much of anything as to loose control. So, you can drink alcohol, but not get drunk.

    but if you want to know, you need to get it from the source.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Fiend_85
    Incidentally, what it so far has said to me is to not get drunk, which would suggest taking so much of anything as to loose control. So, you can drink alcohol, but not get drunk.
    Thanks for letting me know. :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stargalaxy
    Thanks for letting me know. :)
    Dude, don't take it from me, I could be lying. Study the source if you actually give a shit.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well one could argue that its not the drugs in of themselves but the funding of a black market which is morally dubious and therefore a Christian wouldnt want to

    therefore growing weed or self production of drugs would scoot round this yes?

    Ok i'll rephrase; Is taking a drug in and of itself inherentlly vicious?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Martin_Bashir
    therefore growing weed or self production of drugs would scoot round this yes?

    Ok i'll rephrase; Is taking a drug in and of itself inherentlly vicious?

    Moreover, if we're talking in a christian moral sense, is it against God, is it a rejection of God, and does it in itself damage our own bodies, or anything else.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Fiend_85
    Moreover, if we're talking in a christian moral sense, is it against God, is it a rejection of God, and does it in itself damage our own bodies, or anything else.

    I'm not sure if it would have to be a rejection of God.

    Some drug use would probably damage the body, though not in an extreme way and would probably be less risky that horse riding which I believe to be considered moral.

    I guess it would heavily depend on the drug, how it was used and the user.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by bongbudda
    I'm not sure if it would have to be a rejection of God.

    Some drug use would probably damage the body, though not in an extreme way and would probably be less risky that horse riding which I believe to be considered moral.

    I guess it would heavily depend on the drug, how it was used and the user.

    In the pure and simple sense, every decision made as a christian needs to be decided on what God thinks of it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Fiend_85
    In the pure and simple sense, every decision made as a christian needs to be decided on what God thinks of it.

    Yes, and because of that I would suggest that personal recreational level of usage would be a personal choice between you and God. Not something that could be proscribed by The Church.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by bongbudda
    Yes, and because of that I would suggest that personal recreational level of usage would be a personal choice between you and God. Not something that could be proscribed by The Church.

    nothing should be proscribed (dude, is that the right spelling?) by the church. As I said to Stargalaxy, don't take my word for it, I could be lying, you need to check the source. Everything should come out of the bible.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Fiend_85
    nothing should be proscribed (dude, is that the right spelling?) by the church. As I said to Stargalaxy, don't take my word for it, I could be lying, you need to check the source. Everything should come out of the bible.
    I will do. As for "proscribed", I believe what you said was "prescribed".
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stargalaxy
    I will do. As for "proscribed", I believe what you said was "prescribed".

    Yeah Yeah Yeah,

    Just go and do something anything illegal
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stargalaxy
    I will do. As for "proscribed", I believe what you said was "prescribed".

    Nope, I meant proscribe.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Fiend_85
    nothing should be proscribed (dude, is that the right spelling?) by the church. As I said to Stargalaxy, don't take my word for it, I could be lying, you need to check the source. Everything should come out of the bible.

    Yes, that is the right spelling, from the word proscribe to mean ban, rule out, forbid etc.

    You're right about The Church, but, as with any other organisation its flawed by its very human nature.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Fiend_85
    Nope, I meant proscribe.
    Oops! Makes sense now - since when do I get prescriptions from the church? D'oh!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by bongbudda
    Yes, that is the right spelling, from the word proscribe to mean ban, rule out, forbid etc.

    You're right about The Church, but, as with any other organisation its flawed by its very human nature.

    Indeedy, it isn't just true for the church but for anything, as a christian, I should be checking what the bible says, if I say I believe it, I'd better make sure I know what it says.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Bongbudda, the problem is there is nothing in the Bible that specifically mentions drugs. I've been wrestling with this one for over a year.

    Smoking harms my body, so ciggies bad? How about hash cakes? no smoke so no harm to the body but is it good?

    The closest I come to a similair substance is alcohol, a drug which is allowed in moderation.

    I still don't know. :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'd worry about whether hash has a long term health affect, to be fair, if you feel confused, you should probably ask for clarity, most likely you'll get it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Fiend_85
    I'd worry about whether hash has a long term health affect, to be fair, if you feel confused, you should probably ask for clarity, most likely you'll get it.

    Yes but so can alcohol. Considering some of the crap we put into our bodies i would less afraid of weed and hash which have been around and used for thousands of years than say GM foods or coca-cola.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Indeed, I wouldn't ever take it, but that's because of the reasons behind it. I wouldn't worry about taking it either though. My choices when it comes to drink and drugs were made before I became a christian.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fair enough.
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