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The UK has by all accounts really good and tough regulations regarding research.
Its going to happen anyway so it might as well happen here.
The situation is this - a group of people feel very strongly that it is immoral to torture defenceless animals for some dubious medical and cosmetics experiments - they don't think that writing to their MPss or handing in a petition will make much difference, so they have decided to take direct action - by targetting the companies involved in the practices they abhor.
If they break the law, we have plenty of coppers who can go and arrest them and put them on trial for their actions, but to suggest that they have no right to take steps to put their beliefs into practice is to make a mockery of the very idea of democracy ......
and to say, oh well, we might as well torture dem bunnies, cos if we don't someone else will, is just not dealing with the central issue at all.
Are we going to allow everything that happens anywhere to happen here?
i'd call it terrorism.
legitamate protest has bought into effect many regulations. more legitamate protest can bring in more controls and safeguards.
the anti terrorism legislation that we are so worried about might actualy be able to be put to good use on these people.
Where did I say they had "no right" to take steps, I gave several ways, I just said that physical violence is un-acceptable as a form of protest.
As for cosmetic testing, well thats banned in the EU now anyway (or its soon to come into effect) so thats not an issue.
No, I'm not suggesting we allow everything that goes on elsewhere here. I'm suggesting we look at it reasonably on a case by case basis.
What physical violence have they been using ?- I read "ordering goods maliciously" and "protesting outside peoples houses" ....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/animalrights/story/0,11917,1273275,00.html
Do you mean in the same way that countless millions "legitimately" protesting the UK's involvement in an illegal war of aggression made the gov see the people's will and duly refrain from sending troops?
:rolleyes:
Yes, I love it, I poke dogs in the eyes for fun.
Only kidding
just sick
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3742569
intimidation, violence, harassment
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/902751.stm
So why have so many experiments on animals?
Before you start a medical research experiment in this country you have to prove that you could not get the research any other way.
Yes, it is unpleasant, but its far from 'for fun', its serious work and does lead to massive advances in medical science which helps us all.
Would you rather a rat or a human die?
Hmmm, lots of hype and very little fact ........
Heres one of their latest ones;
www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/youandyours/ram/youandyours_20041118_2.ram
what you mean very little act, that womans body *WAS* graverobbed, and those acts of violence did and still continue to happen
Freethepeeps never has anything interesting or informative to say.
oh my god you just shattered my world, you bastard :P
My dream in life is to be as scintillating, amusing and intelligent as crackjesus or whatever the fuck he's called........
I dont believe in how extreme the protesters acts are, and I dont think it does the cause any good at all, but there should be much more research into non animal alternatives. A lot of it is just absolutely barbaric.
It's total bullshit and we all know it is!
The protesters do themselves no favours by proving that they have no respect for [human] life. Legitimate protest isn't limited to writing to one's MP but it certainly cannot include physical attacks and generally violent acts.
A debate on the alternatives might be a constructive way forward, but it's easier to shout abuse at people isn't it.
Oh, and the suffragettes are incomparable. :rolleyes: for that.
Firstly, exactly how many human lives have the animal rights protestors taken?
Secondly, you're erm, not exactly an expert of the suffragettes, are you?
valuable research and investment good bye ...for a few animals?
I vote rat. Especially seeing as repetition throws up new and interesting data each time as testing equipment becomes more and more sensitive.
Nor can you equate an animal life to a human life.
You imply that animal testing is unregulated and superfluous. Is that what you meant?
Nor, as it goes do you have to believe that accepting animal torture is the same as respect for human life.
Property damage and arson are not violent acts then?
Pharma companies dont give a shit about your health or wellbeing. Your view seems to start from an assumption that even with animal testing they somehow do.
Just go look at how they managed to lobby the Bush admin in the past few years into essentially removing all product liability protections for any drug or vaccine they might wish to eventually release into the market. That despite the fact that flu vaccines themselves have been responsible for many many deaths in the US.
More often than not their "lengthy R&D testing" nowadays means a 3 week trial with all negative data duly shredded or purposely falsified to gain license approval for mass consumption.
You put your faith in the wrong people if you believe they care any more for you than they do for a labrat.