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A major story like this and still none of the large news organizations have picked it up? Why?
keep scraping that barrel!
Hardly surprising. Kerry himself - along with the whole of his campaign - admits to having met with Mdm. Binh of the Viet Cong, and then worked to facilitate the Viet Cong agenda most diligently while still an officer in the US Navy... definitive TREASON.
The FBI has authentificated that Kerry presided over meeting of his FAKE "Vietnam Veterans Against the War", where the assassination of seven US senators was discussed/plotted, yet Kerry never reported it. That seems to be avoided...
There is a recall effort in his home state of Massachusetts (headed by the assistant govenor of that state), to throw him out of office as a US senator, yet THAT is not exactly "headline news" by any major news source.
Those Kerry served with? The Swift boat veterans? Are rather uniformly lined up in opposition to Kerry, because most all of those NOT with their snout in his money trough realize the travesty which is Kerry. I stated the same for a year, but it was not until the Swift boat vets came together that the news sources would deign to acknowledge the reality.
Rather like so many times when I have stated that I am NOT a "blind supporter of Bush" - more of taking the lesser of available evils - and yet... that is studiously avoided, on this bulletin board.
I will admit to the frustration of having lived through those times at an age comparable to the most who make up this site, and I still remember most vividly what transpired. All of the popular revisions accepted so readily by the most of the populace? Are the popular version bought into by those who do not remember.
Perhaps, in thirty years, many of you will be forced to endure the travesty of lies concerning THIS time, shoved down your throats... of knowing the truth, and yet the most refuse to listen.
I have stated before that I have MUCH more respect for the soldiers of the NVA whom I killed in combat, than for such as the likes of Kerry... at least you knew what they stood for, and were consistent.
Theres a good reason that even Fox "news" isn't touching that bullshit.........
To the best of your knowledge
- Has Kerry lied to his country's Congress and public as well as to the rest of the world and the UN regarding Iraq's WMDs?
- Has Kerry lied as well about alleged links between Saddam and 9/11?
- Has Kerry tried to use 9/11 to push a completely unrelated warmongering agenda?
- Has Kerry been responsible for the worst economic record since the Great Depression of 1929?
- Has Kerry made the world an infinitely worse and more dangerous place?
- Do/did the Democrats have long and extensive links with such people as Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein or President Karimov?
- Has Kerry just taken his country to an absolute disastrous and completely pointless illegal war that has cost tens of thousands of lives, has made countless enemies for the US and has made the world a far more dangerous place?
- Has Kerry torn up non-proliferation treaties that had worked a treat for decades and started a new nuclear arms race?
- Is Kerry a mentally insane and/or religious fundamentalist nutter who claims God talks to him and dictates his foreign policy?
Well?
And you're seriously suggesting that even if all the boring rubbish about Kerry and Vietnam you keep going on about was true, it is actually worse than what the demented semi-literate dangerous murdering scumbag you currently have in office has done in the last four years?
You need to sort out your fucknig priorities mate!
:rolleyes:
There he is! Shoot him, SHOOT HIM DOWN!:D
If you knew ANYTHING about the flip/flopping traitor?
Then you would know that in 1998 Kerry DEMANDED that Bill Clinton go into Iraq and depose Hussein "because of the WMD there".
While sitting on the Intelligence Committee? Kerry has missed 75% of the votes, after 11 September event.
Kerry is an opportunist in it for nothing other than Kerry. He committed treason for his own perceived political gain.
Treason is forever. The rest? Is just details... including the fact that he has voted 350+ times to raise taxes in his tenure in the Senate.
Like Johnny Walker Lindh, Kerry should have never been allowed to set foot on the soil of the United States, again, within his lifetime. Biggest blunder of Nixon's presidency was NOT prosecuting Kerry for treason...:(
oh how you love soundbytes
and what has that got to di with his integrety?
surely you vote on them individually though, its not like aying if he had his way, hed vote them all in, cause im sure many of these proposed changes, didnt actually go thorugh, thus youll try again
That started on Bill Clinton's watch, and was helped along by the 11 September event. That is... as much as ANY economic fluctutation is the responsibility of a sitting president. Just as Bill Clinton does not carry the complete responsibility of what happened while he was in office, neither does Bush.
But after conspiring with the enemy during a time of war? No other issue holds the same importance. A traitor is a traitor, end of story.
and what about all those alleged WMD
If you're so concerned about imaginary charges of treason, why don't I ever hear you complain about Commander-in-Chief sending more than 1,000 US soldiers to their deaths and injuring many more tens of thousands under false pretences?
If you think that having people who joined the US army to protect their country killed solely for the sake of oil revenue and the geopolitical agenda of the PNAC is not treason (as your lying, cheating, murdering Commander-in-Chief has done with the Iraq war), how on earth can you see treason elsewhere?
Funny how the immense majority of Americans would appear to laugh and shake their heads at the utterly absurd charges of 'treason' levelled against Kerry by the ultra right wingers and the neo-cons... I think you must live on a parallel universe.
The man who lies to his country and to the world, and uses his country's armed forces to further the interests of his friends in the oil industry is the fucking traitor.
The man who completely needlessly and pointlessly causes the deaths of more than 1,000 US citizens is the fucking traitor. And a murderer to boot.
The man who to add insult to injury shows such disgraceful contempt and disrespect for US casualties of the war (banning TVs from showing footage of coffins returning to US soil, failing to attend to a single funeral of a fallen US soldier... how fucking nice and brave of Dubya eh Thanatos) is the fucking traitor.
And you complain about Kerry's stance in Vietnam but don't utter a word about that repulsive coward not showing his face at a single funeral and banning TV networks from showing coffins returning home?
You're so barking up the wrong tree is pathetic.
Bush has made such an appalling shambles of the US economy it beggars belief. Period.
For someone who claims Bush is simply the lesser of two evils, you would appear to think the sun shines out of Dubya's arse and furthermore are prepared to defend an economic record that is totally indefensible.
Have you seen THIS, yet? :cool:
Washington Times
October 28, 2004
Pg. 1
Russia Tied To Iraq's Missing Arms
Pentagon: Weaponry relocated before war
By Bill Gertz, The Washington Times
Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.
John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.
"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."
Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloging the tons of conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.
Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated from other arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to Syria and Lebanon, and possibly to Iran, he said.
The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons, including some 380 tons of RDX and HMX, is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said.
The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.
Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita could not be reached for comment.
The disappearance of the material was reported in a letter Oct. 10 from the Iraqi government to the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Disclosure of the missing explosives Monday in a New York Times story was used by the Democratic presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry, who accused the Bush administration of failing to secure the material.
Al-Qaqaa, a known Iraqi weapons site, was monitored closely, Mr. Shaw said.
"That was such a pivotal location, Number 1, that the mere fact of [special explosives] disappearing was impossible," Mr. Shaw said. "And Number 2, if the stuff disappeared, it had to have gone before we got there."
The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April 3 and found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a statement yesterday.
A military unit in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's 75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the past by the IAEA.
The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of explosives from the facility after April 6.
"The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.
The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the site by Saddam's regime.
According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken.
It is not known whether the inspectors saw the explosives in March. The U.N. team left the country before the U.S.-led invasion began March 20, 2003.
A second defense official said documents on the Russian support to Iraq reveal that Saddam's government paid the Kremlin for the special forces to provide security for Iraq's Russian arms and to conduct counterintelligence activities designed to prevent U.S. and Western intelligence services from learning about the arms pipeline through Syria.
The Russian arms-removal program was initiated after Yevgeny Primakov, the former Russian intelligence chief, could not persuade Saddam to give in to U.S. and Western demands, this official said.
A small portion of Iraq's 650,000 tons to 1 million tons of conventional arms that were found after the war were looted after the U.S.-led invasion, Mr. Shaw said. Russia was Iraq's largest foreign supplier of weaponry, he said.
However, the most important and useful arms and explosives appear to have been separated and moved out as part of carefully designed program. "The organized effort was done in advance of the conflict," Mr. Shaw said.
The Russian forces were tasked with moving special arms out of the country.
Mr. Shaw said foreign intelligence officials believe the Russians worked with Saddam's Mukhabarat intelligence service to separate out special weapons, including high explosives and other arms and related technology, from standard conventional arms spread out in some 200 arms depots.
The Russian weapons were then sent out of the country to Syria, and possibly Lebanon in Russian trucks, Mr. Shaw said.
Mr. Shaw said he believes that the withdrawal of Russian-made weapons and explosives from Iraq was part of plan by Saddam to set up a "redoubt" in Syria that could be used as a base for launching pro-Saddam insurgency operations in Iraq.
The Russian units were dispatched beginning in January 2003 and by March had destroyed hundreds of pages of documents on Russian arms supplies to Iraq while dispersing arms to Syria, the second official said.
Besides their own weapons, the Russians were supplying Saddam with arms made in Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria and other Eastern European nations, he said.
"Whatever was not buried was put on lorries and sent to the Syrian border," the defense official said.
Documents reviewed by the official included itineraries of military units involved in the truck shipments to Syria. The materials outlined in the documents included missile components, MiG jet parts, tank parts and chemicals used to make chemical weapons, the official said.
The director of the Iraqi government front company known as the Al Bashair Trading Co. fled to Syria, where he is in charge of monitoring arms holdings and funding Iraqi insurgent activities, the official said.
Also, an Arabic-language report obtained by U.S. intelligence disclosed the extent of Russian armaments. The 26-page report was written by Abdul Tawab Mullah al Huwaysh, Saddam's minister of military industrialization, who was captured by U.S. forces May 2, 2003.
The Russian "spetsnaz" or special-operations forces were under the GRU military intelligence service and organized large commercial truck convoys for the weapons removal, the official said.
Regarding the explosives, the new Iraqi government reported that 194.7 metric tons of HMX, or high-melting-point explosive, and 141.2 metric tons of RDX, or rapid-detonation explosive, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN, or pentaerythritol tetranitrate, were missing.
The material is used in nuclear weapons and also in making military "plastic" high explosive.
Defense officials said the Russians can provide information on what happened to the Iraqi weapons and explosives that were transported out of the country. Officials believe the Russians also can explain what happened to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.
http://www.exportcontrols.org/matrixchurchill.html
What annoys me Globe is that when the arms sales to dictatorships and regimes like Iraq are opposed, those that do so are called 'loony liberals' and peace freaks.
I would recommend you track down a book called 'The Death Lobby - How The West Armed Iraq' - Kenneth R. Timmerman. (Bantam Books). I also recall the Iran/Contra affair and who was said to have led a Senate sub-committee that investigated some of the allegations.
It’s really funny, America arms good boys, then they become bad boys who use the weapons against America, and Americans feel offended. America armed Iran to teeth but when good Shah was kicked out by bad Khomeini did this case teach Americans anything? In no way. They just switches preferences and continued to sell weapons to ‘real friends’ as Saddam, Taliban and Saudids ( they all were enemies of Iranian regime).
Iraq is just a quintessence of this stupidity. America armed Iraq against Iran ( at American taxpayers‘ expense plus lives of million Iraqis and Iranians), then she destroyed Iraq’s economy in 15 years of embargos and bombing ( at American taxpayers‘ expense plus lives of Iraqis), then direct invasion ( at American taxpayers’ expense plus hundreds lives of Americans and thousands lives of Iraqis), now they want to ‘resurrect’ Iraq economy and pump billions and billions there ( again, at American taxpayers’ expense). But what if this freshly baked Iraq democracy and American billions get into bad hands ( like Muslim fundamentalists)? Whom will Americans blame? Themselves? Never.
This childish ’my enemy’s enemy is my friend’ policy doesn’t make a favour to the great nation Americans are. The best way is to return to American roots, to the Founding Fathers' ideas- Trade with everybody, military alliances with nobody.
Alas neither Bush nor Kerry are kin in this kind of policy… So the question Who is better is meaningless. Both are worse.
GIVE IT UP THANATOS!
Have you seen this yet? :cool:
Its the owner of the Washington Times, and here's him talking about it:
Oh my, a man who thinks he is God, owns the paper and believes that it is "listened to" by the government of the USA and "other nations" , almost like a political tool should we say?
Do you have any idea of just how much he gave the Bush Campaign, "Globe"?
Do you think this paper can be trusted "Globe"?
Talking about after 11/9, isn't it true that the first time Bush met with his anti-terror chief was after the terrorists attacked?
Kerry is an opportunist in it for nothing other than Kerry. He committed treason for his own perceived political gain.
And I'm sure that no republican state has taken a single penny of those taxes... :rolleyes:
What lies are you talking about?
Remember that there wasn't a single member of the UN (with the obvious exception of Iraq) who didn't think Saddam had WMD. There was no reason for either the UK or the US to lie because everyone agreed with them.
Not sure the relevance of your comment because I didn't actually say that the US should have invaded on that basis. I just pointed out that the UN agreed that WMD existed...
Bush and the Moonies
The Moonies founded, own, and control the Washington Times
Is George Bush a Moonie?
Are you a Moonie Globe?
Heh, seems like your moonie rag is telling lies ........
Bloomberg
Pardon me, my esteemed friend, but...
Was not that "chief" created AFTER 11 September event?
Would have made it just a little difficult to meet with him, prior to the event, would it not?
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Lemme guess - KKK this time? :rolleyes:
The Bush family had huge dealings with Nazi Germany. They also had huge dealings with those who escaped the Nuremberg trials