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US role for UK troops in Iraq
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Why the hell should our troops have to clear up the Americans mess? If we have to how can we put our troops under the control of the United States? I don't think we should be doing this, surely only British generals should control the British army.
Why the hell should our troops have to clear up the Americans mess? If we have to how can we put our troops under the control of the United States? I don't think we should be doing this, surely only British generals should control the British army.
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Fat chance of spineless poodle Tony doing that though...
Iraq is jointly the US and the UK's mess
the noly worry i have is that as they want us to go into their areas, and considering how different their attitude is, as were more peacekeeping and theyre at war almost, mainly down to their original tactics, if we can win over the hearts and minds of regular iraqis it will cut off their supply of insurgents
Or do they sense another Vietnam and realise they actually need us as more than just lap dogs.
Are you suggesting that we should go and mess countries up, and then make other people clear up the mess, just because they are bothered about the welfare of the people?
That's preposterous!
The Iraq war-war? (
They shouldn't help. If you will excuse the poor analogy, the war was like a party. "France and Co" didn't want the party together, The UK and US went ahead anyway andmade the house look like a tip, and now expect France and Co to help them clean the house up again. Which is stupid.
The war is illegal it broke international law and the arguement that Saddam was breaking UN resolutions is a desperate attempt by Blair and Bush to try and find a reason which makes the war legal.
Saddam did not have WMDs and that was the reason that was given to Britain to go to war.
It was because of the illegal war on Iraq that things are now much much worse for ordinary Iraqis that it was.
That thier country is on the brink of civil war and desintegration.
That terrorism, until April last year pretty much non-existent, is now everywhere.
That world has been divided.
That old allies are now adversaries.
That relations between the Arab world and the West are at their lowest point in recent history.
That the world is an infinitely worse place since that bunch of lying murdering scumbags violated international law for the sake of oil revenues.
And may I remind you that the immense majority of the mass killings Saddam did happened when he was a friend of America and Britain? I didn't hear the right wingers complain about human right abuses then...
Get a fucking grip for once!
Explain why you think it's rubbish.
What's that got to do with it?
can i just ask you why you support the war on Iraq, every other thread you make is about focusing on domestic issues like immigration, tax, education then you say stuff like "it was to remove the brutal dictator called saddam hussein", tell the truth, you didn't give one shit about the plight of Iraqi's before the war, you don't care about the plight of the Iraqi's now and you never will, you're just supporting it cos all your right wing heroes do, you haven't got a clue.
You *could* argue it's the other way around, but that's a debate for another time and place. All I ask is that you recognise that there are almost always two sides to every story, and the story in Iraq is no exception.
If you had even a remote clue how completely sold on bogus and easily spun PR about "terrorists" (none of whom are actually ever proved to be terrorists and the vast bulk so named whom are held indefinitely without charge or due process of law) you truly are, you would hang your head in shame.
Suffice to say that the mainstream bullshit about Iraq being overrun by "outside terrorists" is nothing more than a smokescreen to denigrate and demean the patriotism of the vast majority of Iraqis who it is well documented as fact DO NOT WANT US IN THEIR COUNTRY.
They are not idiots, nor are they some mass of uneducated simpletons. Iraqis are perfectly capable of arranging their own self determined futures, even should civil war ultimately be required (and where hasnt civil war been a facet of national development even in our industrialised West?). What they rightfully have risen up against is our foreign domination and occupation and installation of corporate serving powermongers who have themselves lusted to reclaim power since they fled the country in the 1950's!!
Allwai himself is fully known (along with his cousing Ahmed Chalabi) as being longtime CIA informants and pawns and the fact remains that we are there to ensure that control over the future production and distribution of Iraq's oil and oil wealth serves OUR oil conglomerates, not those of the formerly nationalised Iraq state industry nor the people of Iraq.
Of course the truth of the matter requires you have some capacity to understand the complicated struggle going on in the foreign policy arena and the crisis of "Peak Oil" which our world is facing.
Until you are prepared to wrestle with more than the convenient simplistic soundbites sold to you by mainstream corporate media, you wont have any real understanding of what the War on Terror truly is and how freely and inappropriately even the term "terrorist" is being used to villify any who dare to rise up against the rebirth of imperialism and conquest (and those corrupt leaders who have chosen to serve that agenda, such as Karimov or Musharraf).
whats the odds luke says something utterly stupid and off the point in reply to this intelligent post above, he probably wouldn't even understand what it means, take his own interpretation and say something about jihad or something stupid like that.
Frankly, when the reality of our Peak Oil crisis sinks in, far greater percentages of our current self deluded populations will realise just how systematically and extensively they have been lied to and misinformed of the real agenda being played out as we speak.
the inference of this statement is that you DO care about the plight of the Iraqi's and are a compassionate young fella, hmm, that would explain all the threads you have made about AIDS, the various other dictotors in the world who massacre their civillians and all the other threads about poverty and hunger in the third world :rolleyes:
and yours aren't
see now you're thinking like george bush and tony blair, don't need intelligence to prove a point.
whats that got to do with anything, i'm 17 from lower class, still doesn't mean i don't care, you've made numerous posts about saddam the brutal dictator but none on any other dictators or wrongs in this world, do they not count, and if they do, why haven't you made any threads about them, lkets face it, you don't care about the plight of the Iraqi's, never had never will.
seriously, spending a trillion dollars removing a man who posed no threat to the western world, putting a country in turmoil, numerous other wrong things they've done, and for what, removing a dictotor, hardly a substitute. where's the common sense in that.
Considering that the two references i provided to you are the direct and concrete documented agendas of those (and by those) currently in power in Washington, bias isn't even a relevant argument for your refusal to educate yourself further.
You want simple answers and unfortunately (since foreign policy is crafted to serve complex corporate and elite interests) that is simply not possible. These agendas are not written to cater to 1 minute televised blurbs just before the 5 minutes given to sports and weather. They are documents which require you to learn about the bigger context of finite resources and the opportunity afforded to the US thanks to the inbalance of military might since the end of the Cold War.
As I said before, until you prepared to do more than make snide one line quips and dismissive excuses for your unwillingness to read and learn, your posts will continue to be little more than pointless childish tirades.
well you obviously don't care about them, or anyone who is suffering in the world at the moment, i know that some day you'll mature properly and look at things from a neutral stance, i'm not a leftie in the strictest stance, i'm quite conservative in many aspects of life but i looked at this war from a neutral stance and i used my intelligence to gather what was needed to make a firm conclusion, and that is that the war is a sham,everyone who has any bit of common sense will realise that and i think it's time you stopped splurting out one-liners made up by the neo-cons and think for yourself, for once, please think for yourself.
sorry mate, that would of course explain the numerous other threads you've made about the need to remove other evil dictators in this world.
:rolleyes:
i don't know you personally but i know the type of person you are, gullable, will listen to anything that gets shoved in front of your face on TV etc etc, pretend you care because it suits your political ideology, there's no point in arguing with you anyway, you never listen, or read the posts properly anyway. we're not trying to change you, just guide you to the truth. you're obviously not listening.
but is it YOUR opinion or just some neo-con opinion that you've swallowed up, i genuinely believe that you don't have a fucking notion of anything that happens in the world today, the history of US foriegn policy etc etc, there's fucking shit loads of shit you need to read (not news reports or news websites) to understand even 10% of the shit that is happening today and all you do is say silly thing like "we've removed a dictator, the world is safe", it really is annoying when people with intelligence have a debate then someone comes in with silly one liners like this, please luke, read up on all this stuff and come back when you understand the situation better, it really IS deeper than just removing a tyrant.
where did i say you get your opinions from the sun, you said yourself from the BBC website and i told you not to, i'm doing A-levels and i always find time to read, maybe instead of sitting on the internet talking shit you could get off your arse and read these books, clandestine has already given you a hint where to start and you basically tell him to fuck off, and trust me luke you DON'T understand alot of it anyway, it's laughable to say you understand it, i don't even know half of it and i consider myself to be more intelligent than you when it comes to politics.