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If you are found guilty of murder you are sentenced to life imprisonmment, and the judge sets a suggested tariff. the parole board still make the decision on when (or indeed, if) you get let out, and the parole board set the license terms.
If you breach your license terms you go back inside.
No, I wouldn't think it. But then no punishment would be severe enough for me if I was the victim's family.
But that is irrelevant. Emotion aghs no place in the criminal justice system, and the key word is JUSTICE. It's not the criminal revenge system.
I guess thats down to the parole board.
The idea of remorse is what is important to me. I want them to be sorry, and continue to be sorry for as long as I have to deal with the loss of a family member.
it worries me what you deem to be leftwingas well ...anyone with compassion or an intelligent response ...
you have been nicked and are going first in front of a magistrate.
you know you are not going to get bail.
you ALWAYS ...plead not guilty even though you know your eventualy going to be found guilty.
why?
becuase you may well be on remand for up to a year ...longer for something like murder.
on remand you have not been convicted of any crime so ...instead of a half hour visit once a month from family and freinds ...you can have visits everyday ...you can have cash to spend ...you can wear your own clothes ...you can have decent food bought in ...you can have a bottle of wine a day ...you can have ciggys bought in ...toothpaste soap etc.
on remand ...life is so much easier.
if you plead guilty at the start you are remanded but ...as a guilty prisoner so go onto the main prison wings with all it's usual deprivations.
it costs the country a fortune when guys keep court cases going as long as possible just so they can do their first part of the sentance in reasonable comfort.
it's to save court/police time and a lot of money.
it's not about anything else but time clogging up and slowing down the legal process and the cost ...full stop.
offer people a few years less then the first year of relative comfort comes in a big second on what to decide to plead.
your a plank.
But criminals already have the option for most otehr crimes, plea bargaining is alive and well.
Mary Bell's mother was a drug-addled prostitute on an awful estate.
One of the Bulger killers (I forget which) had a crack-whore mother on a terrible council estate. The other had been bullied mercilessly.
It has been shown time after time after time that children who are sexually abused go on to sexually abuse their children, or their siblings' children.
The last woman to be hanged for murder killed her abusive husband.
Of course these things make no difference to how "criminal" somebody is. Of course not. They're just "evil", and can't be helped or saved.
Luke, understanding why people do things is the only way to prevent it happening again and again and again. Deterrents don't work.
If you are honest and you help, it gets taken into account when being sentenced. It always has done.
It is why those who protest their innocence don't get let out by the parole bopard- they don't show remorse. If the poor bugger in Bakewell had just admitted it he'd have been out after 10 years, instead of being stuck inside for 27 years before being acquitted.
And, if you actually read their life histories, you would find that, hey, they did have a terrible childhood.
It doesn't excuse, but it does explain. And explanations prevent repeats.
Surely even you can understand that?
So you argue that a persons background has no impact on how they act? Thats Bullshit my friend.
the right also have their loons ...mostly in the whitehouse.
:banghead:
Gah. Words quite literally fail me.
I can't decide if you are wilfully stupid, or if you are just stupid.
Not everyone who has had a terrible childhood experiences problems. If that were true we wouldn't be able to move for homicidal maniacs, but do you not think it's more than a coincidence that people such as the Dunblane and Hungerford killers fit the same pattern of bullied, abused loners.
ARGH! :mad::banghead:
People make choices according to their life experiences.
People ground the rationale for their choices according to their life experiences.
Do you think that people who commit suicide just randomly choose to, out of the fucking blue? Do you think that depressed people randomly choose to be depressed, and they could just "pull out of it".
I'm not comparing depression to murder, but if your answer is "no" to thsoe questions then you have no grounding to think that murderers just randomly decide to kill people for no reason.
Gah, You are a lost cause.
You would think that if you were homeless and starving? You would rather die than break a law by stealing food in order to not go hungry?
And where have I said it does?
Someone who is poor and socially excluded from society has no incentive to behave according to the rules of that society. Some will persevere, some will say "fuck it", but one doesn't see very many rich muggers.
Similarly, sometimes there is no easy reason. The rich aren't socially excluded, yet they go and pilfer pension funds.
Y'know, background doesn't excuse any behaviour, but it can explain it sometimes. To say "people make individual choices", and then not attempt to understand the rationale behind tyhose choices, smacks of insular stupidity.
I know.
There's a reason behind every decision every person makes. They might be bad reasons, but they are still reasons, and the only way to curb crime is to find what those reasons are.
After all, if background made no difference, why do the police want to spend so long profiling mass murderers?
Um.
I'm on JSA. I applied 13 weeks ago, and I have still yet to receive a penny. My parents have bailed me out.
If my parents couldn't have I'd be starving. Yeah?
yeah.
I'd have shoplifted from tesco.
innit?
ways out of it such as? Go on, tell me.