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caesarian section on NHS
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/medicine/story/0,11381,1288433,00.html
they cost like 3 times as much as normal birth and if the woman can give a healthy natural birth, then theres more risk with it, yet if 2 doctors think itd be safer for woman to give birth naturally, she can still opt for a caesarian
bloody stupid, NHS might as well pay for cosmetic surgery cause the patients want it no matter how stupidly pointless it is
they cost like 3 times as much as normal birth and if the woman can give a healthy natural birth, then theres more risk with it, yet if 2 doctors think itd be safer for woman to give birth naturally, she can still opt for a caesarian
bloody stupid, NHS might as well pay for cosmetic surgery cause the patients want it no matter how stupidly pointless it is
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OK, I'm male and wouldn't give birth but if there is NO NEED for a caesarian then maybe they should pay for it.
if theres no need for caesarian they should for it
giving birth is probably the most strenous thing a woman's body will ever have to do. i think a lot of people underestimate how tough it is on the body.
i was born 'quickly'. my mum was only in labour for a day. so, compare and contrast - 24 hours of agony, trying to push something the size of a watermelon through a hole the size of your thumbnail, with bits splitting here there and everywhere, or a couple of hours of being operated on, being totally numb from the waist down.
do you blame them? i sure as hell don't.
the likes of cherie blair giving birth on a date to "suit her diary" made me so angry. they should not be allowed to have children if something as major as giving birth has to be scheduled around "dinner with so and so" or whatever.
unless i had complications or there were risks involved i would want to give birth naturally. i would rather suffer the pain of giving birth for 24 hours or whatever than undergo major surgery.
opted caesarian sections (unless there is a valid reason for opting for one) annoy me greatly. and to have the NHS pay for them is completely wrong imo.
so next time you have an operation, you'd be quite happy to have no anaesthetic, 18th century stylee?
cause let's face it, if we go by your standards, why the hell should the taxpayers pay for your pain relief?
Casearians are only needed if there are complications.
but aren't you glad you have the choice?
for the record, my choice would be to have a natural birth too, but it would reassure me immensely to know that i could choose. i don't think convenience elective caesarians are as common as some people would have you think. in my experience the vast majority of people who have a c-section have a bloody good reason for doing so.
im glad that if there were complications then there is a choice but i personally think that unless there are these complications there shouldnt be the choice. i dont think that they should opt for the "easy way out" because it is there.
Well to be honest I think an extreme phobia would class as a legitimate reason.
When you have had a baby previously and it was a long labour , you were in pain for long periods, had a bad delivery then you should be allowed to have a section.
Yes you forget the pain after childbirth but by god at the time it is agony, you dont know how long the pain is going to last, it can be very scarey (for me my legs were literally clanking together). So if someone has had a really bad natural delivery previously then she should be allowed the 'choice'.
i take it you've never been kicked in the balls before
I shouldnt say much here, but I guess your male and never seen a woman give birth under extreme circumstance. IE long, painful delivery :rolleyes:
I hope you are male or else ive just made another total ares out of mysef.
the problem is if a woman wants a caesarian just for the sake of it, and a natural birth would probably hav eless chance of failure, she should be made to pay for it cause its just like cosmetic surgery, and the NHS treats on basis of need, and if there is no real need but a desire, then should pay
and just cause im not female doesnt give you a reason to make my reasons void
You what ? Do you know what your talking about ?
I dont think any woman would like to be scarred for the fun of it.......do you ? Do you really think women would go through a serious operation for the hell of it ? They go through a serious op for many reasons.........Scarred stiff, fearful of a lengthy labour etc etc.
most people don't even get how hard a normal birth is. my brother was at his son's birth (only about 20 hours, no complications) and he said he had no idea it would be even slightly that traumatic. people see these things on TV - 20 minutes of pushing and then a screaming baby - and think that's the way it is.
does that go for other operations too? i need to have my wisdom teeth out. i don't need a general anaesthetic for this, but there is no way in the world they would get me anywhere near that chair without one. the dentist himself said 'you really, REALLY don't want to be awake for that'. should i be made to pay the extra cost of the hospital bed for the day/use of surgeons/nurses/anaesthetists/etc?
(as it happens, i'm going to pay for it anyway, as the NHS, treating on basis of need, has decided i don't NEED to have it done for the next 3 years, much to the horror of my GP. but i digress)
Exactly, they dont really see the lengthy process some deliveries are. Even when you have a quick labour like myself it can still be very traumatic, its the not knowing how long you are going to be in pain which has to be the worst thing.......even the nurse cant tell you how long its going to take.
What about an epidural if she wants one ..........should she pay for that if she wants it ? because its not just a nurse who gives that and it can be very dangerous if she moves.
C-sections are invasive, but doing things 'the natural way' are not to be dismissed as the easy way.
well if the phobia is that serious then it should be diagnosable, if the woman is healthy, there are more risks with caesarian than with normal labour
Ordinarily yes, but a phobia can create high blood presure and unusual stresses during the course of labour that can be avoided during a c-section. But you feel so shitty afterwards, with the drugs wearing off it just doesn't seem worth choosing it to me.
SINCE WHEN DID I SAY IT WAS THE EASY WAY!? IM NOT THAT THICK
well theres risks in any treatment, but for all normal purposes its fact a caesarian is more risky than normal labour, and theres more chance of complications from it, if there is signifigant risk of complication from normal birth ie family history then c-section should be an option
but to use an indiviudal example is jus biasing the debate