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Chavs disguised as goths
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Now, I'm all for goths, the music (bar Marilyn Manson and Slipknot) is generally good quality, the clothes can be quite stylish. My boyfriend WAS one years ago. He's 35 and he was a Bauhaus, The Cure type goth. His type of goth tend to have good attitudes as well; non materialistic values.
But the goths today seem to be more like townies. They all have to have the latest goth gear, the latest CDs. They seem to hang around parks and McDonalds together at night. My boyfriend became a goth because he wanted to be different, and he was listening to the music and playing guitar anyway. He even got bullied for it. But goths today seem to become goths because their friends are, or it's the "cool" thing to do, or if they become goths they will seem more knowledgable on music. They seem to be popular now.
I think that goth is a dying culture, and today's goths don't encompass the old attitudes. Does anyone agree with me? Or do all goths suck anyway?
But the goths today seem to be more like townies. They all have to have the latest goth gear, the latest CDs. They seem to hang around parks and McDonalds together at night. My boyfriend became a goth because he wanted to be different, and he was listening to the music and playing guitar anyway. He even got bullied for it. But goths today seem to become goths because their friends are, or it's the "cool" thing to do, or if they become goths they will seem more knowledgable on music. They seem to be popular now.
I think that goth is a dying culture, and today's goths don't encompass the old attitudes. Does anyone agree with me? Or do all goths suck anyway?
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Goth culture is far deeper than the people you've described could ever imagine.
Their dress sense does. The way they dress has always seemed so depressing to me.
I agree, but you do find that people do try very hard to fit in with a particular 'label'.
I like what I like when it comes to music, cloths, whatever.
I wonder why? Some kind of security perhaps. I never felt I needed it.
I think security has a lot to do with it ie. feeling comfortable with your peers, but I think a lot of people become goths to rebel.
I disagree. The club I am going to tonight always has at least 100 scallies ready to jump people who have to walk home. A good few people have been brutally attacked by scallies outside of the club. To my record I have never hurt of groups of goths beating the shit out of a lone scally on his way home. :rolleyes:
Perhaps, but what are you rebeling against, there are loads of goths these days. Wait and see, people will start rebeling by being ultra conservative rod-arse artists.
I wouldn't say I rebel against anything. I love the clothes, I love the music, simple as. I do not dress the way I do to try and become something I am not. I also don't believe in this depressed image some goths have, I always go round happy, not with a face like a smacked arse.
absolutly spot on, why be pigeon holed as anything? do what you want and listen to what you want.
Goth culture wants to be deep. I barely think it can be described as a culture either, a lifestyle at best.
However, in Leicester now it's quite visible that people who dress in black and purple clothes and wear excessive amounts of dark makeup do outnumber the amount of people who dress in sports clothes and have lots of gold jewellery.
since then, being "alternative" hasn't been about rebelling, it's swapping your adidas + baseball cap uniform for criminal damage jeans, korn hoodies, black fingernails and stoopid hair colours.
it aint a viable means of expressing yourself anymore.
I bow to you sir.
That is gothic culture. That is people wearing dark clothes and makeup. A culture goes far deeper than that. Is 'black' culture about clothing? Is Manx culture about clothing? No. Culture encompasses more than clothing and music and people who are genuinely interested in gothic culture may not conform to the stereotypes.
I for one am deeply interested in Paganism, yet I wear suits to work, and have my hair in a bun. When I go out I wear the same clothes every other woman my age does. I don't wear black and have purple lipstick. Please stop stereotyping.
hit the nail on the head with people round here, but less goths and more the alt scene.
i mean the 'i can play guitar' thing is cool and all, if they can play... i mean, i could pick up a geetar and 'play' you some nirvana but i'd never claim i could actually play the thing!
(if that makes sense)
but yeah, it's easy to say 'oh yeah, britney spears sucks and slipknot are class' but useless unless you can sit down and say why.
this is mostly me moaning that the quality of the local bands has gone muchos downhill since a year or so ago...
i believe whomever said 'if you're all non-conformists, then you're just conforming to each other' was a winner.
I am shocked at you! When did I stereotype? Anyway, I said that 'people who dress in black and purple clothes' are more numerous than 'people who dress in sports clothes'. I didn't say either was gothic. You actually said at the beginning of your reply that they were goths, and then went on to say that clothing doesn't define a culture of goths (though goths arent a culture).
I didn't say that you wore black and purple lipstick or anything like that. I mean, if you re-read my post I'm sure you'll understand that all I said was that people who wear one type of clothing outnumber people of another type of clothing.
Please don't jump to conclusions that I am trying to pigeon-hole you into a group or whatnot, even though I've never heard of you before
what if you go out shopping, buy things just because you like them, but when you put them together, you look like your average teen/twentysomething/whateversomething cliche?
should you change who you are so as NOT to conform?
NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I'm not wrong
i dont particularly care about people if they are not bothering me, if they are its because they are wankers and not because of the clothes they wear, and to be honest who am i to slam my views onto others
i do prefer the more alt scene of music
but i will tolerate most music, i do like a lot of heavy stuff, but at least with ramstein [sp?] you can understand what is been said, slipknot sound alright in the odd track, but like someone is murdering someone and throttling their last breaths in others, anyways even i have stretchable limits those guys are just sick
and then theres some techno dance crap, some of its very good, but how origional can you be when you think of a 3sec riff and two words, chuck in a thumping bass, and you call that creative? as near creative as a mold infested bunion
Yup.
There's a horrible tendency in this country to look at things from the easiest and most convenient point of view. Happens with more people than it doesn't, comes down to the fact that we're pre-bigoted and we aren't willing to change our minds because we're seen as weak, or like we don't know what we're talking about. Or something.
Anyway, I don't hate goths/neds whatever. Like any other people I don't like, I'd just rather they didn't exist so I didn't have to bother with them.
I used to be a goth too... though more of a modern one on terms of music (until I found the older bands later on) but still in to the literature, attitudes and whatnot that I guess would be associated with old school.
Thing is, music changes (dark synths, deep and pained voices have been exchanged for pounding drums and somebody screaming) and the theme of the music too. So these days the music associated with goths is rebellious... whereas it used to be romantic and poetic.
That's my opinion anyway and these days... I'm just me. A bit hippy-rockerish depending on the mood.
My style ranges from very formal black coat, tie waistcoat and pocket watch to baggy jeans and hooded top. My musical taste ranges from Bach and Wagner, through Blind Guardian and Rhapsody all the way to Fairport Convention and Lindisfarne.
I also like fantasy and sci-fi films/books/TV and games, and steam engines.
When it comes to "Gothic style", I like the Victorian type.
be careful there.
As for Goths then and now, The only difference I see is nowadays its less of a true alternative statement. I do see some youngsters (hark at me) dressing really different, and I think that takes guts, but usually all I see are mini goths in their hoodies. They havent got any individual style at all.
I think when I was into that sort of thing, it was more of a community amongst the alternative crowd, because there wasnt as many of them around, when I was around that type of person, I felt safe. Nowadays, the minigoths are just as much likely to be troublemakers as the chavs.