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It's been generally agreed on this thread that the suicidal person is not in full possesion of their mental abilities, and, asuming the perspective of the person in question is what you are talking about, can it really be considered a valid perspective?
It's like asking a schizophrenic which reality is real, they're not qualified, by the nature of their illness, to answer. Not through any fault of their own, but still not qualified
Do you, in your view, consider suicide not to be a selfish/easy way out of the problem? Bearing in mind the aftermath, and suicidal person's mental state.
Being helpful isn't in question. I know when to keep my thoughts to myself, for example when talking to my friend with acute depression. At the fore-front of my mind is making her feel worthwhile, and keeping her occupied. Not telling her how pissed off and upset I'd be if she topped herself.
Do you think suicide is the selfish or easy way out of the problems these people are facing?
Not really a valid question. I don't consider it selfish or otherwise. Just really fucking tragic. Depression is an illness. To make a value judgement about illness is not right IMO.
I don't think the illness is in question either, I agree that it's tragic that people really can't see another way out.
But people don't commit suicide soley because they've been depressed for months, in the same way that not all people suffer from depression.
Separating the action from the illness. Still just tragic? or selfish as well?
Those left behind see it as selfish- s/he left me here with nothing, and didn't even care what I thought about him/her. This viewpoint has a lot of merit.
For many depressives they assume nobody cares about them anyway, so it isn't selfish to them as they don't assume anyone would give a crap. Which is why they do it.
I'm not sure- I think people who actually have the guts or the desperation to kill themselves are very brave, far braver than I, but many people disagree and don't think it is bravery but cowardice.
Unless you've been there it's so hard to explain it very well. When you're that desperate it's not a matter of it being "easy", it's the only way out- for many it feels like the soul has died, and they are just waiting for the body to catch up.
Although it isn't "exactly" suicide it's the ultimate act of compassion for the family they leave behind.
That's more bringing-forward and inevitable date of death and when nothing else, in anyone's perspective, can be done, said person, will lie there and die. There's a song quote I like (here below) I never understood it when I was much younger, I swam into focus about 10 years ago.
I never considered euthinasia as suicide, more compasionate murder.
It's not a matter of condemnation, human's can generally feel more than one emotion at a time, and look at a situation subjectivly in the same moment.
I agree... when you're not in the right mind then you don't realise what effect your actions will have on others... -sigh- I know this all too well.
I've actually done a study of suicide since Ancient Greek times, it was quite interesting to find out about it all. For a lot of people it does seem to be the easy way out, because once they have made the decision to do it they have something to focus on, a secret that keeps them going and a solution to all their problems.
Al Alverez - The Savage God is a good book to read if you are really interested in the issue.
Well quite. Suicide isn't a simple easy subject. It needs to be carefully disected and each section discussed, even then not everyone will agree on the overall opinion.
BumbleBee has highlighted how it's not just family and friends that are left to clear up. The method of death can have wide-reaching repercussions.