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tube and bus prices
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why did they go up so much this year, when the tube and london buses make a profit!?
like in central london, almost all buses are overcrowded most of the day, so there was no need to fares £1
all i can ask is WHY!?
like in central london, almost all buses are overcrowded most of the day, so there was no need to fares £1
all i can ask is WHY!?
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Can get a Young Persons Railcard of course but you gotta pay twenty something quid a year for that...Is worth it though as it's 1/3 off but I still ain't got round to getting one. For now I'll just keep getting child tickets, with barriers your unlucky if you get caught anyway.
but the rises in fares if you use it regulry is quite stupid, especially on london buses, as durin day most buses are overcrowded, and make a healthy profit over the whole year
and the tube, well therewas no need for it to be privitised as it was actually making a profit, its jsut the government was lbocking that profit to be used as track/train improvements, so they culd say "oh lets privitise it"
Yeah the oyster card is really cool. I'm in Amersham which is on the met line so it's part of the underground and they accept young persons railcard...that's probably cos amersham is in a special zone though, zone c or something where all the others are like zone 1 2 3 4 5 6.
So i cant really comment on prices.
The tube prices have gone up, but not that much I dont think, obviously they have to keep them in line with inflation.
The PPP is another matter altogether and the people involved in it should be hung.
Did you just feel like posting so you could be included?
I don't live there either, but my holiday-time home is at the end of the line out of Marylebone station in London
As ever with public services in this country, it's a tricky situation where the system has been cash-starved for decades. As a result we have the most expensive subway system in the entire world, and can't even afford air conditioning...
And after 40 years of underfunding, a fair solution isn't easy... do we make commuters pay the extra money needed to make the system better (but rising the cost of travel to ridiculous levels and making more and more people abandon public transport and use their cars), or do we give the system all the billions it needs every year and thus make all taxpayers foot the bill, even though most of them don't use the system?
For example, the main lines would love to take longer trains, they need it, but how much would it cost to lengthen the platforms? Silly money.
What this thread represents is a Metropoliltan outlook. Really guys, you don't have it that bad. Try living in rural communities, then you'll discover what a bad (& expensive) public transport system looks like.
I still find the prices exorbitant though. I live in zone 3 and to commute to Central London would cost me around £1,000 a year. Even after insurance, petrol etc my scooter has paid for itself within two years.
Little known fact. If there is a problem on the lines then the Underground must continue to have trains running otherwise people on the plaforms would start to suffocate. The entire systems of air circulation is based on the trans moving.
I live five miles from my work base. It would cost me over £50 per week to get to work on public transport. Minimum.
I'm not saying that the tube is the best service in the world, but it's not the worst either. I certainly agree that the main source of funding should be tourism and commuters.
A DayRover costs £4.50, and has a larger network than that of an All Zones Travelcard.
But, yeah. People won't use public transport until it is cheap, and it will never be cheap because every time there's a boom the RMT go on strike for an extra slice of pie.
Moral: the RMT should be in jail.
the thing is the tube operates at a decent profit, even when its been in public hands, so they have money to put into it
and buses in london, even night buses tend to be quite busy, yet they cost a £1 all over london now insteadof 70p last yr, WHY?
If London wants a decent transport system London has to pay for it. I resent paying vast wads of tax to London for something I rarely, if ever, use.
If you use oyster buses are still 70p instead of £1. Get oyster pre-pay.
Maybe they put bus fare profits help go towards improving the tube? It is all part of TFL isn't it so I guess it could be? The tube is good and it gets you around most of the time but other cities tubes are way better. The NYC subway is a lot better than the tube...I haven't been on the Paris one but everyone says that is better too. The government should just put money into the tube (and give us that crossrail thing too) but they don't seem to like spending money on London's transport..
and btw i love the tube i just find the fare increases, to be completly extortionate, as i have to use it, and im happy to use it but the fares!!!
There are 56 million people in England, and London only has a population of 7 million. Why should I, who goes to London every two years, pay for things that I will never ever use?
If Londonders want a good system, they have to pay for it. Because I sure as hell don't think I should.
I think you should quit moaning, £1 for a bus fare is a lot cheaper than many places across the country. I've also never experienced people smoking on the bus or tube in London, which is an every day occurance in Brum.
Yeah, the tube is expensive, but you don't have to use it. It's a good, quick service.
Yes, of course, and London does not in any way fund the rest of the country though its taxation does it Kermit.
I resent having to pay for the rest of the country, I would be more than happy for the South East and London to go it along and let the rest of you fend for yourselves.
you are missing the point though, all im saying is, why do the tube and bus fares have to rise at a far greater rate than inflation, cause they make money, it isnt as if its operating at a loss
Erm.. the national taxes do not pay for my local transport services. If they did then I would only have to pay £1 to travel. Which is the point he was making.
Just for info, my wife took my son on the bus yesterday. A faive mile round trip which cost her £2 just for him. That's the under 16 rate.
I think Kermit's slightly wrong on one count though. The Tube is used by tourists who bring money into the UK, therefore I do believe that the national govt should fund a proportion. However I agree that Londoners and communters should pay the vast majority.
yes, I dont like feeling left out
But that's hardly surprising give the population difference, the industrial advantage and the wage structures.
You cannot compare the two economies because they are so different. As Kermit pointed out there are 7 million people living in London (approx 15% of UK population) plus commuters coming in to work, plus a huge amount of tourism...
When you look at some public services then economies of scale are better, as is access...
Plus you have a political bias in London, which is what I referred to as the metropolitan viewpoint earlier. I won't go into detail on that because it's another thread really, but if someone who only lives 70 miles away from London can feel it, how do you think Northerners/Westeners feel