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Boot Camp
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Well a new series started on ITV last night and i wondered wether anyone watched it and wether sending people to boot camp could turn people around and point them in the right direction.
Ive got an open mind on this programme because it only started last night but I hope that it can help these lads transform and get out of the situation they have been in, maybe they do need to learn to accept discipline?
One lad left because he couldnt hack it, another was going to leave he got quite aggitated but they talked to him and calmed him down, he decided tht he was going to stay and when they asked him why he said it was because he wanted his parents to be proud of him.
So do you think Boot Camps could work ? are they a bad idea? as i said previously I have an open mind at the moment, maybe when I see the results at the end o this reality show then i may have stronger views.
I 'do' hope these lads get through this test and I hope that they can get on the straight and narrow. They obviously 'do' want to change and realise they cant go on living as they do otherwise they wouldnt have gone on this programme.
Ive got an open mind on this programme because it only started last night but I hope that it can help these lads transform and get out of the situation they have been in, maybe they do need to learn to accept discipline?
One lad left because he couldnt hack it, another was going to leave he got quite aggitated but they talked to him and calmed him down, he decided tht he was going to stay and when they asked him why he said it was because he wanted his parents to be proud of him.
So do you think Boot Camps could work ? are they a bad idea? as i said previously I have an open mind at the moment, maybe when I see the results at the end o this reality show then i may have stronger views.
I 'do' hope these lads get through this test and I hope that they can get on the straight and narrow. They obviously 'do' want to change and realise they cant go on living as they do otherwise they wouldnt have gone on this programme.
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Thats going to be the main factor here and its wether they can actually follow rules and do as they are told.
So basically it gives a stabile environment, and gives people some kind of feeling of accomplishment, which is the best feeling in the world. Well almost, after buying shoes that is
That said, I think it's sad that some people need such extreme meassures.
so may i ask have you been in trouble before ?
ah right, its just when you said you'd go to one.
Ive never been in trouble and I dont intend to. Ive had situations where ive had not a penny but ive survived.....just
im too soft to take Jail, I couldnt hack it.
I agree completely. Some people need to learn some damn respect and discipline. It'd probably be cheaper in the long run than prison too.
Much cheaper. The facilities are already in place, the guards are already there. Maybe give them a couple of probation officers per camp to keep an eye on things and that the inmates aren't being completely exploited/tortured.
But apart from that, anything goes. Make them get up at 5am every morning to clean the toilets. Give them a good breakfast and send them on a 5 mile run. When they get back make them clean cars, trucks, tanks e.t.c.
Make them work while they are there, give them a trade, teach them it'll be a hell of a lot worse if they get sent back.
When they do get out they'll be grateful that they weren't sent to prison. (This relies on the prisons being tougher...)
I can see that, i think its a good thing. If anyone watched it the last time round the lads we not bad lads & it just taught them some things i think lots should know. Basic training & skills.
http://www.armycadets.com/acf/home.aspx
but boot camps yeh they a good idea for repeating offenders of social disturbance crimes like vandalism etc
no one ever shook their fist cos i'd held them up.
bortal was tough. but a very enlightening experience.
it failed in the short term to straighten me out but ...in the long term it has served me very well.
So different people, Morrocan Roll, Lukesh, MoonRat, Whowhere you never agree with each other but now you have come to agreement about THIS?
Do you really understand what you are talking about?
Compulsory boot camps turn bastards into decent lads? In which way?!
They were lazy, not organised, weak, not trained, anarchic, unskilled thugs with low self-esteem and a lack of self-control. The camps give them physical strength, skills, discipline, self-esteem, ‘teem spirit’, they teach them working in groups, obeying commanders mindlessly, living in rigid hierarchical structures, surviving in hard and cruel environment.
But do they change their morality, give them tolerance and humanity, teach them respect to others who are not their mates and commanders?
No. Quite opposite is true.
The camps make them much much much more dangerous. Hell, it is not my fantasy, be sure, I know guys of this type! Army really made them worse! These guys would be pocket pickers in the worst case but they got army training and now they are mafia’s boys.
Who do you think were German SSmen? Former scum bags gone through boot camps.
Who were Iranian Guards of Islamic Revolution? Former scum bags gone through boot camps.
Who were Russian Red Guard? Former scum bags gone through boot camps.
Who were those American guys who tortured Iraqi prisoners? Former scum bags gone through boot camps.
The single thing they need is a charismatic leader and they are ready to do whatever he’ll order them.
...and your approach would be what ...take them to the seaside for a day out?
bring on jesus.
personally i dont think overtly violent crime people should be given it though, i say give them labour camps
i say itd be useful for vandals, arsonists, etc
Join the cadets. I go to CCF at school but I'm sure there is a local ATC. If they aren't on the link, I could ask them myself, as I'm sure my local ATC is your local ATC also.
I also believe that you will perhaps change your mind once in the cadets, perhaps with a visit to a proper base.
I spent the last week at RAF Halton, the RAF's main training squadron for the whole of the country, with the CCF. Everyone NCO in the RAF does not get into the RAF without going through Halton and the RTS. It's hard. Very hard. And while there are many rewards for those who complete it, it is certainly not for everyone. Forcing everyone to do it would be a really bad idea.
as a punishment by a court for those the court decide should be given such favour ...why not force it down somones throat?
as a parent at the end of their tether ...not allowed to yell at 'em not allowed to whip 'em ...but to be able to hold the threat of 3months bootcamp over their bad little heads and bitter little hearts would hold some sway me thinks.
of course it aint for everyone ...of course occasioanaly it will go wrong ...thats life i'm afraid.
imagine having survived it once ...and your parents are threatening you with a second dose!
and using bootcamps for those who do arson burglary vandalism etc, would beat sending them to prison which obviously doesnt work on petty crimes liek that
imagine the mess and the horror the unproffesionals would be cuasing in iraq ...
My dad's an instructor with the Sea Cadets. my youngest brother was a cadet with them. My other brother and I were both inthe Air Cadets.
Horatio, I went on camp to Halton as well. Worst camp ever! My brother went to another camp and got trained on how to use a HIAB. I went to camp and I was shown how to use and airport X-ray at the RAF police training section. Guess which I would rather have done?
Yes, the discipline was harsh, but the rewards far outweighed the drawbacks. I went flying, shooting and got my Bronze D of E with the cadets. I would definitely reccomend it to anyone who wants some adventure in their life.
Yes, Karl Marks talked about Labour Armies in his Communist Manifesto. Hitler had his Labour Front. It seems the idea of Gulag excites everybody, both left and right.
Private slavery is not fashionable but what about public slavery? Wonderful! We all will be slave drivers! Wow!
I always knew that there is not any difference between left-wing socialists ( so called liberals) and right-wing socialists ( so called conservatives).