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Boot Camp

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Well a new series started on ITV last night and i wondered wether anyone watched it and wether sending people to boot camp could turn people around and point them in the right direction.
Ive got an open mind on this programme because it only started last night but I hope that it can help these lads transform and get out of the situation they have been in, maybe they do need to learn to accept discipline?
One lad left because he couldnt hack it, another was going to leave he got quite aggitated but they talked to him and calmed him down, he decided tht he was going to stay and when they asked him why he said it was because he wanted his parents to be proud of him.
So do you think Boot Camps could work ? are they a bad idea? as i said previously I have an open mind at the moment, maybe when I see the results at the end o this reality show then i may have stronger views.
I 'do' hope these lads get through this test and I hope that they can get on the straight and narrow. They obviously 'do' want to change and realise they cant go on living as they do otherwise they wouldnt have gone on this programme.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    After years of being on the wrong side of the law do you think these lads on this show could hack the discipline ? One lad has already walked, another was going to leave but changed his mind.
    Thats going to be the main factor here and its wether they can actually follow rules and do as they are told.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    For kids with no stabile life a boot-camp could be what they need being that they get the discipline, but that it's done under military means makes it harder to accept than being told about by your mom, and also when you have completed such a stay you have something to be proud of, as it's a challenge.
    So basically it gives a stabile environment, and gives people some kind of feeling of accomplishment, which is the best feeling in the world. Well almost, after buying shoes that is :p

    That said, I think it's sad that some people need such extreme meassures.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I do have a post in entertainment about that program but bugger all people said much! grr
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    If there was a boot camp in my area, i would go, there is more addvantages to it than disadvantages.

    so may i ask have you been in trouble before ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    with the police? never! won't dream of it either.

    ah right, its just when you said you'd go to one.

    Ive never been in trouble and I dont intend to. Ive had situations where ive had not a penny but ive survived.....just ;)

    im too soft to take Jail, I couldnt hack it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I wouldnt want to have to go to a Boot Camp because I am basically not physically strong enough to do anything like that, and it would be scary I dont like being shouted at :(
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I believe COMPULSORY boot camp is a good idea. Instead of sending people to prison, send them on community service. If they reoffend send them to the army. Make them do all the shitty jobs but also teach them a skill, discipline and motivation.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sounds harsh... But maybe they should set something up for delinquents along those lines (I saw the trailers for the programs... but seeing as I work nights I couldn't watch it)
    I believe COMPULSORY boot camp is a good idea. Instead of sending people to prison, send them on community service. If they reoffend send them to the army. Make them do all the shitty jobs but also teach them a skill, discipline and motivation.

    I agree completely. Some people need to learn some damn respect and discipline. It'd probably be cheaper in the long run than prison too.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by MoonRat
    Sounds harsh... But maybe they should set something up for delinquents along those lines (I saw the trailers for the programs... but seeing as I work nights I couldn't watch it)



    I agree completely. Some people need to learn some damn respect and discipline. It'd probably be cheaper in the long run than prison too.


    Much cheaper. The facilities are already in place, the guards are already there. Maybe give them a couple of probation officers per camp to keep an eye on things and that the inmates aren't being completely exploited/tortured.
    But apart from that, anything goes. Make them get up at 5am every morning to clean the toilets. Give them a good breakfast and send them on a 5 mile run. When they get back make them clean cars, trucks, tanks e.t.c.
    Make them work while they are there, give them a trade, teach them it'll be a hell of a lot worse if they get sent back.
    When they do get out they'll be grateful that they weren't sent to prison. (This relies on the prisons being tougher...)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Luke, why would you chose to attend a boot camp when you said yourself you've never been in trouble? It seems rather pointless and it could actually have the opposite effect - it might make you resent authority!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    no, it wouldn't!

    I want to be proud of my self, gain confidense raise self esteem, various things.

    I can see that, i think its a good thing. If anyone watched it the last time round the lads we not bad lads & it just taught them some things i think lots should know. Basic training & skills.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    no, it wouldn't!

    I want to be proud of my self, gain confidense raise self esteem, various things.
    To be fair, you can't really say how it would affect you until you were in that position. The way you are treated is sometimes unfair especially if you are already a decent hardworking person. There are other ways of learning basic skills.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Join the cadets mate.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i say introduce the Gulags, but instead of Siberia, send em off to north wales :lol:


    but boot camps yeh they a good idea for repeating offenders of social disturbance crimes like vandalism etc
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Why North Wales? It's a lovely place. Put them on oil rigs instead.:lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bring back borstal. i served a sentence on a prison farm. hard hard labour. learn't a lot of stuff about the land and farming. up at 5am. did pig husbandry ...cutting their nuts off and stuff. ended up in charge of the tractor and machinery dept ...used to drive huge trailers of corn to the local drying plant ...yes out on public roads with a big government arrow on the side of the tractor and trailers so everyone knew who we were.
    no one ever shook their fist cos i'd held them up.
    bortal was tough. but a very enlightening experience.
    it failed in the short term to straighten me out but ...in the long term it has served me very well.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    was in the army cadets ...brilliant stuff.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Mein Liber Gott… I’m really scared.
    So different people, Morrocan Roll, Lukesh, MoonRat, Whowhere you never agree with each other but now you have come to agreement about THIS?
    Do you really understand what you are talking about?
    Compulsory boot camps turn bastards into decent lads? In which way?!
    They were lazy, not organised, weak, not trained, anarchic, unskilled thugs with low self-esteem and a lack of self-control. The camps give them physical strength, skills, discipline, self-esteem, ‘teem spirit’, they teach them working in groups, obeying commanders mindlessly, living in rigid hierarchical structures, surviving in hard and cruel environment.
    But do they change their morality, give them tolerance and humanity, teach them respect to others who are not their mates and commanders?
    No. Quite opposite is true.
    The camps make them much much much more dangerous. Hell, it is not my fantasy, be sure, I know guys of this type! Army really made them worse! These guys would be pocket pickers in the worst case but they got army training and now they are mafia’s boys.
    Who do you think were German SSmen? Former scum bags gone through boot camps.
    Who were Iranian Guards of Islamic Revolution? Former scum bags gone through boot camps.
    Who were Russian Red Guard? Former scum bags gone through boot camps.
    Who were those American guys who tortured Iraqi prisoners? Former scum bags gone through boot camps.
    The single thing they need is a charismatic leader and they are ready to do whatever he’ll order them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LabRat
    Mein Liber Gott… I’m really scared.
    So different people, Morrocan Roll, Lukesh, MoonRat, Whowhere you never agree with each other but now you have come to agreement about THIS?
    Do you really understand what you are talking about?
    so we don't agree often ...doesn't mean we're afraid to say we do when we do.
    ...and your approach would be what ...take them to the seaside for a day out?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LabRat
    The single thing they need is a charismatic leader and they are ready to do whatever he’ll order them.
    but they haven't yet learned to be led ...
    bring on jesus.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    labrat, dont you think its slightly possible at least a few people who go thrugh learn some self worth which actually helpes them beat a cycle of crime

    personally i dont think overtly violent crime people should be given it though, i say give them labour camps :p

    i say itd be useful for vandals, arsonists, etc
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Luke - I agree with Whowhere.

    Join the cadets. I go to CCF at school but I'm sure there is a local ATC. If they aren't on the link, I could ask them myself, as I'm sure my local ATC is your local ATC also.

    I also believe that you will perhaps change your mind once in the cadets, perhaps with a visit to a proper base.

    I spent the last week at RAF Halton, the RAF's main training squadron for the whole of the country, with the CCF. Everyone NCO in the RAF does not get into the RAF without going through Halton and the RTS. It's hard. Very hard. And while there are many rewards for those who complete it, it is certainly not for everyone. Forcing everyone to do it would be a really bad idea.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by the doc horatio
    Forcing everyone to do it would be a really bad idea.
    not sure where i stand here ...
    as a punishment by a court for those the court decide should be given such favour ...why not force it down somones throat?
    as a parent at the end of their tether ...not allowed to yell at 'em not allowed to whip 'em ...but to be able to hold the threat of 3months bootcamp over their bad little heads and bitter little hearts would hold some sway me thinks.
    of course it aint for everyone ...of course occasioanaly it will go wrong ...thats life i'm afraid.
    imagine having survived it once ...and your parents are threatening you with a second dose!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    in no way am i sponsering those privately run apparant 're-reducation' centre in the middle of a country where they cant be policed and charged


    and using bootcamps for those who do arson burglary vandalism etc, would beat sending them to prison which obviously doesnt work on petty crimes liek that
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think liberalism and letting kids run free has had a good innings and it's time to teach delinquents a lesson. National Service is an exellent idea. Nowadays with all the jobs that need filling, it wouldn't be practical for every young person to take part, but as a substitute for jail, it seems like an excellent idea.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by HunnyPot
    I think liberalism and letting kids run free has had a good innings and it's time to teach delinquents a lesson. National Service is an exellent idea. Nowadays with all the jobs that need filling, it wouldn't be practical for every young person to take part, but as a substitute for jail, it seems like an excellent idea.
    trouble is ...the army is now made up of volunteers ...no one is forced ...making the armed services a very proffesional organisation ...they wouldn't want to be landed with a load of bozo's. it's not their job.
    imagine the mess and the horror the unproffesionals would be cuasing in iraq ...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You missed one: http://www.sea-cadets.org/

    My dad's an instructor with the Sea Cadets. my youngest brother was a cadet with them. My other brother and I were both inthe Air Cadets.

    Horatio, I went on camp to Halton as well. Worst camp ever! My brother went to another camp and got trained on how to use a HIAB. I went to camp and I was shown how to use and airport X-ray at the RAF police training section. Guess which I would rather have done?

    Yes, the discipline was harsh, but the rewards far outweighed the drawbacks. I went flying, shooting and got my Bronze D of E with the cadets. I would definitely reccomend it to anyone who wants some adventure in their life.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    Your looking at it from a wrong prospective. It actually raises self esteeem, makes people think they are worth while, makes people better tham selves knowing they can do anything.


    Your anti everything man!
    No, I'm not anti-everything man. I am anti-State man.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So labour camps are fine? Even better than prisons?
    Yes, Karl Marks talked about Labour Armies in his Communist Manifesto. Hitler had his Labour Front. It seems the idea of Gulag excites everybody, both left and right.
    Private slavery is not fashionable but what about public slavery? Wonderful! We all will be slave drivers! Wow!
    I always knew that there is not any difference between left-wing socialists ( so called liberals) and right-wing socialists ( so called conservatives).
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