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Biology VS Homosexuality
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I'm interested in this subject, as a Biology student.
I think everyone is constructed as a variety of chemicals, and if they cause them to be attracted to the same sex then so be it.
The question I'm asking is, where does religion come into proven science? What difference does an XX VS an XY chromosome component make on the ability of a person to bring up a child - ie, two XX parents?
And some people suggest that if it was "natural" for people to conveive, they seem to forget that evolution occurred RANDOMLY over millions of years, natural selection etc.
My simple question is, biologically and scientifically, what is the argument against homosexuality? Leaving aside the bible.... which most straight people don't abide to anyway...
A further question - do people have a natural instinct to hate someone or something? Is disliking gay people as an easy target, remembering we are all animals with natural instincts to thrive.
I think everyone is constructed as a variety of chemicals, and if they cause them to be attracted to the same sex then so be it.
The question I'm asking is, where does religion come into proven science? What difference does an XX VS an XY chromosome component make on the ability of a person to bring up a child - ie, two XX parents?
And some people suggest that if it was "natural" for people to conveive, they seem to forget that evolution occurred RANDOMLY over millions of years, natural selection etc.
My simple question is, biologically and scientifically, what is the argument against homosexuality? Leaving aside the bible.... which most straight people don't abide to anyway...
A further question - do people have a natural instinct to hate someone or something? Is disliking gay people as an easy target, remembering we are all animals with natural instincts to thrive.
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i believe we are way way above all other creatures on this planet. we have left animals behind somweher but still behave like them occasionaly cos we can't handle our own brilliance.
the thought of snogging another blokes bristles sends shivers through me. the thought of gay sex also seriously turns me off ...but thats cos i'm straight. not becuae i have a problem with gay people.
We haven't really left "animals" behind, of which there are thousands of species... we are still mammals at the end of the day. If we've left them so behind in a world of utopia surely we'd include everyone - gay marriage etc.
People become so preoccupied by a 2,000 yr old book and what they think people should do, without thinking about the science of it, which is my area of questioning.
If you have no contribution, other than to offend gay people about same sex relationships, then don't bother.
I'm sure they're not aroused by the things you find a turn-on, and vice versa. That wasn't really my question and was hoping for an intelligent response, not an in-depth account of what turns YOU on.
got to go to bed. to much indulgence and sunburn ...easrly rise on the cards.
goodnight.
It could very well be psychological.
Even if it is 'un-natural', whats the difference?
Pointless me replying in this topic then
There is some evidence actually. But even if it is psychological, so what? It still isn't a matter of choice.
I can't see how there can be any more social arguments against homosexuality. We developed a society, we developed the science to ensure our species will never die out (bar a major event) so science and nature has legitimised it (for humans) rather than hold unrealistic expectations like religion.
Throughout nature there is a defined male and female role, but our society is so light years ahead of anything else on the planet that it doesn't really matter anymore.
If anything, Religion is un-natural by forcing people to go against their natural drives (celibacy, peace, devotion to God). It's society's job to ensure drives are controlled and society is natural.
in reality this isn't the case, and homosexuality isn't 'taking over the world'
we are willing to accept that in the ethiopian famine ...no food was growing but ...due to western help in the past by way of aid...the well irrigated luxury crops for t5he west ...tobacco and rubber etc ...were growing just fine. you can't eat them though.
destroying ....how is the fact that a guy down the road who lives and loves with another guy ...threatening me even worse? i think not. i also think the political fight that gay people have put up has reaped them divedendsd the last5 twenty years.
The last question is easier.
Humans are like any other mammal, we are fiercely territorial. We mark out and defend our territory on even the most minute scale, from staking a claim to the remote control right up to seeing our troops march into Berlin.
A result of this territorial behaviour is a fear and/or hatred of the unknown. We look out our window and see the majority, we see our friends, neighbours and colleagues. Chances are 90% of them are white, and straight. Many of us have, over the years conditioned ourselves to like and accept the other 10%. We are friends with black people, gay people, people of other religions. We do this because despite our territorality, and our fear, we are human. Unlike other mammals we can also show compassion.
Yes many people will see a gay person and instantly develop their territorial trait, they will do as they see fit to rid themselves of the outsider. Other people will see the same thing, but it won't bother them. Our humanity will override our gut instinct and we will engage these people as any other.
No other animal shows this, how many times have you seen a wolf attacking its prey, and just before the final blow giving up and allowing its victim to live?
Human males are not designed to have sex with each other, they are designed to reproduce with the opposite sex, thereby spreading their genes.
Does it really matter what the human body was 'designed' for? I trust those who use the biological argument against homosexuality have never, ever indulged in oral or anal sex with their partners. At the end of the day their wives' mouths were created for talking and eating, not for sucking cock...
Ho Ho Ho................... lmfao
Its all about preferences, you like one or the other or in some cases you like a bit of both
lmfao.........classic that one
I don't think it is a conscious decision actually. Most gay people I know knew they were gay, or at least different, from a very early age, before puberty usually.
Designed? WTF?
Homosexuality exists on other species. Whats your explanation for that?
Designed by the power of natural selection.
Almost all other species don't have sex for pleasure either.
Sorry have I missed the point here because I'm not sure what you mean by this.
Some pecies have sex for pleasure, some have "homosexual" relations. Now unless we are to believe that both of these are not determined by nature, but by personal preference, then sure both aspect of life are perfectly "natural"?
Are we? Really?
Take away oil and electricity and we're fucked. All we have done is learn to use many of our natural resources. I certainly don't think that this makes us any "better" than animals, just different.
Your high horse? Get off of it.
What made his comments offensive to gay people?
Take a look at this link ...I've just read this and found it quite intresting in how it explains homosexuality in the animal world.