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most of it in victorian jails ...banged up 23 hr a day with two other geezers ...to live like that with people not of your choosing is fucking hard going. you eat sleep piss and shit in there 23 hrs a day. no running water. no heating.lucky if you get a shower every ten days.
there are more modern prisons with tellys.
they are hell!
i was in a place called hmp wymott ...on the lancashire moors.
wymott means literaly ...her majesties prison where you must obey the tannoy.
you have a key to your cell! you can wander round within a wing all night long ...each wing carries around 70 men. shooting up ...having sex ...running extortion and sheer terror rackets.
no uniforms in there after 8pm. the next uniform you see is 6am.
it's at those times that people mutilate someone who had it coming for one thing or another ...or nothing at all.
that was the most violent neighborhood i have ever lived in in my life.
if your doing 5yrs or over ...your considered a long termer so eventual ...usualy within your first year ...get moved to somewhere like wakefield in yorkshire where you are entitled to have a set of curtains sent in to hide the barred window ...your allowed a cheap battery run hi fi. cd's etc. more long termers are getting a telly in the cell. for these small distractions from the very harsh environment your living in you have to live with the likes of huntley and far worse ...and the cell doors are open around 8hrs a day ...the prisoners outnumber the screws so all sorts of stuff going on.
at the moment two rivl gangs in wakefield are placing bets ...inside and outside the jail money is changing hands on who wounds him first. then who mutilates him first and finaly who kills him first. all good jail sport. all has to be done in the right order so they can mutilate his mind before he finaly dies.
at the moment there is a spliff smouldering in the ashtray on my desk ...do any of you seriously believe i should face anything worse than what i've described ...for having that spliff there whilst chatting to you people?
if they should ever have the misfortune of ending up beingsentenced to six months ...as they are driven through the prison gates in what is known as a sweat box ...locked in seperate tiny cells in the sweatbox ...where you have to point your feet out sideways cos the van cells are only shoulder wide and have 8inches by 15 inches of floor space ...as the gates close behind them ...i hope and pray they find a world of playstaion and reality tv pleasure .........if thats what they're looking for ....theres a dealer on every landing.
I used to think like you..........bit silly now when i look back.
Take a drug user, he needs that fix and he will get it regardless, even if its breaking the law and he gets nicked. His fix is the only thing on his mind, not a prison sentence.
So lets assume he got a 2 month sentence for shoplifting, is he gonna be off drugs by then ? Nah dont think so, but you cant give a shop lifter a 12 month sentence just so he's clean by the time he gets out............can you ?
Im just starting to be a bit more open minded, im listening more here than i ever used to and some people give me pretty good reasons to change my view......which i have done on this topic.
Then you have to think why some people are in and out of prison.
And no, it's not because they are selfish or greedy.
what right do you or anyone have ...to have the power to wreck my life ...to do far more damage to me than having a smoke could ever do?
the jails are full of the wrong people!
...and i did laugh when you said i had obviously had a bad time.
i was a proffesional criminal. doing time was one of the risks ...the biggest and cruelest risk ...and rightly so.
but i'm a big guy ...physicaly and with attitude and a fair amount of experience and knowledge.
i was in control of the weed on B' wing in hmp preston ...an old naval prison built in the middle of the city in 1754.
there was still no running water for two thousand men in the 8o's.
my point is ...if you think a tough street wise guy like me had a tough time ...i realy pray you never ever ever break the law.
what kind of time do you think you'd have ...even with a telly ...would it damage you ...would it change you do you think?
Surely they are all smoking dope. Rolly smokes it, Tunstallites smoke it. What's the difference?
And no, I'm not twisting what you are saying.
Surely dope is dope? It has the same effect on everyone, doesn't it? (Actually could someone answer this question for me? If not, I will just toddle off to the drugs forum).
do you reakise how few of our big legitimate companys turn over that ammount of tax free cash ...
do you believe most of that money comes from a comunity of sad bastards down the road from you!
that kind of bullion doesn't exist on poor street.
ten billion quid a year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That'll be the alcohol. Weed doesn't make you violent.
You have a very misinformed view about prison.
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3793003.stm
I mean how twisted is that, prisoners risking escaping because their jail is too full of heroin. Says a lot I think.
How would the men here feel if their partner wanted to write/visit someone ? Would you be scared for their safety ? Would you put your foot down and say 'No way' are you doing that ?
Id like to hear from the men so i can try to see where my hubby is coming from..........thanks
But at the same time if you want to do it....maybe you could write to prisoners in another country, that way their less likely to turn up on your door. Just a thought.
Out of interest, why only men?
He has said NO WAY to writing to anyone, even if they were female. He reckons im asking for trouble and even when i mentioned to writing to someone from abroad he looked at me as if i was stupid.
So I have got to listen to him on this one, but dont think I listen to everything he says
I don't think it would bother to be honest. I've done prison visits and they are quite safe.
I guess I just assumed, sterotyping, of course there are women prisoners too.
Where do we draw the line? A person does not need toilet paper to survive do they? Let's get them to use their hand, that'll teach them a lesson. They don't need anyone visiting or even calling them do they? Let's cut them off completely from the outside world and their families and friends.
How about that?
Isn't it the same thing?
But, well you treat people like animals and they become them.
Have you looked at the re-offending rates recently, they are truely shocking.
Purely for our own financial benefit we should be trying to rehabilitate prisoners not just punish them.
That last line is assuming that the law is just and fair.
They deserve 5 years behind bars?
Thats the equivelent of about a 1/3rd of your whole life isnt it.
Haven't read the thread through, so excuse me if I am repeating anyone.
Basically it's got to do, if society gives sentances to punish or to protect the citizens.
And thereafter if harsher sentances reduce crime.
Look at the US for example, very hard on crime, and higher murder rates than us, and argueably a worse drug problem.
Most of the Far East have the death penalty for drug dealing, does that work?
Liberal societies like Holland and Sweden have lower crime rates than us.