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Don't be so busy assuring things you have absolutely no control over. At least if you were a proper human being you wouldn't try to disencourage me, but rather present your case in a manner where it might make sense and appeal to me...
Doesn't matter. As said you're not the one which anything depends uon, thankfully.
Speaking of childish retorts, etc., etc., then it really is a wonder that you keep arguing with me. Surely if it was as you said, you wouldn't bother.
Maybe if people didnt respond to personal attacks with personal attacks they wouldn't work so well...
Maybe if people tried posting on something other than their pet subjects, people wouldn't think they only had one agenda...
Maybe people who live in glasshouses...
Oh I don't know, anyway I'm off to Somerset for the weekend!
I may join bongbudda and not bother in future.
In return I will ban myself from mentioning the US war on Iraq, and others can follow suit if that is what ruffles some people's feathers.
Does that sound fair?
the country was bombed and then sanctions imposed. the country was eyeballed 24hrs a day for years by satelites.
enough experts and proffesionals stated that saddam did not pose a threat to anyone ...his military machine had been basicaly destroyed by bush snr.
everyone knew that he could not launch weapons of WMD within 45 mins.
most people knew or at least suspected that the press were being manipulated by the government through the CIA. CIA bigwig resigns ...new york times apologises.
most sensible people stated that invading iraq would lead to chaos and further instability in iraq and the middle east in general.
people were screaming about human rights abuses by the usa ...
the legal and moral stuff ...the vietnam comparrisons ...OUR ...freedoms being eroded ...do i need to go on or people like jacq determined to keep their eyes and ears firmly shut?
lukesh ...no one is supporting saddam ...why can't you see and hear what is going down?
There's more to fucking life than immigration, race and asylum seekers. Judging by the percentage of threads dealing in the subject you would think we're discussing the imminent end of the world.
These subjects are simply being kept top of the agenda artificially. Time to give it a rest until something significant happens again. It’s not as if there’re new dramatic developments every week, as is at least the case with Iraq.
dramatic? US soldiers beeing ambushed is unpleasant but not a great debating topic, neither are the events in Palestine.
If ppl want to debate a topic but you don't, you have the perfect right to boycott that topic but you recently introduce an asylum thread with the apparent aim to stifle debate
As per the forum's rules if I'm not mistaken.
And I still maintain what I said: since latest official figures (and corroborated by an independent body as well so let's give a fucking rest to the "the government is lying to us" bullshit) show that asylum is falling and is well under control, it's time for you and others to either back up your claims that we've being "swamped" or "overwhelmed" by "floods of 'bogus' asylum seekers", or leave the subject alone until you have something relevant and truthful to say.
I can understand my thread upset you though. Bringing the issue to a head, proving my point, leaving you exposed and so far unable to back up your claims... how inconsiderate of me.
How hypocritical , whenever the government reports something from Iraq you are the first one to say 'this is bullshit'. :rolleyes:
A thing which you and so many others have failed to notice, is that my support of the war was given on the basis of the removal of Saddam.
I may have mentioned weapons, but have always stressed that my support wasn't given primarily for those, but for the people who were suffering under him.
You go on and use me as your model of everything which is wrong. In reality I was among those who thought that they Iraqi people shouldn't be ignored anymore. In your words that is to keep my eyes and ears firmly shut apparently.
Then you mention human right abuses commited by the US, and make it appear as if I have ever supported the acts commited in the Abu Grahib prison. What the fuck is that about?
I have not once done that, and thought that I made it pretty clear that I was disgusted by the actions. But no, "Jacq" is obviously a supporter who can't see right from wrong.
You have made your ideas, yet fail to realise that what is happening doesn't go according to those ideas.
But no, remember that "Jacq" is childish and neglects to support what she's saying... :rolleyes:
removing saddam was EVERYONES wish ...but a full scale war destabilising the middle east even further was the wrong way to go about it ...and that was only a side effect anyway.
more people have been killed or maimed in iraq by our politics than saddam could ever have achieved. there is now terrorism where none existed before. there is now chaos where there was order.
great achievements aye ...
No I don't, and neither did I say that. So stop "putting words in my mouth", will you?
If I am a "right winger" then no, I haven't been talking "bollox (disgusting word) all along".
If you thought that the war would run smoothly, then you're a downright fool. And if you think that the people of Iraq would be better off with Saddam, then you're a bigger fool.
As far as I read just two minutes ago, the Iraqi government will hold (/have?) the power to kick the US completely out.
Oh, and you always complain that I don't back up my claims, well here you go
As for the arguements... if you're putting forward a point note your sources, or at least say that you don't know whether or not it may be true. Why resort to insults either? It's is politics and debate not politics and hissy fits.
Am late to this discussion but ....OH YES IT DID! you were particularly rude and childish toward me ladymuck.
This is not actually true. I don't know whether ladymuck gets warning PM's from the mods, but I certainly do.
Of course it matters who supplied them.
Exactly what I think, Blagsta is incapable of having a debate without insulting people.
but it has proved what this place and us lot are like.
in my opinion it aint bad like this.
While you're just incapable of debate.
And I've read the whole thread now, guys. What a big fuss about nothing...