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It's a pity it's a true and accurate reflection of life on a council estate then isn't it.
Trust me, this is what is actually happening, I've seen it and i'm dealing with it.
The answer isn't to throw more money at them, only for them to throw it back in our faces. It didn't happen 20 years ago and kids were better behaved, there's no reason for us to be doing it now.
Instead these kids need to be taught the meaning of respect. respect for their peers, respect for life and property and respect for authority.
Don't patronise me, I know what some council estates can be like.
But don't you think we should be asking why some people behave like this? Asking what is it about our society that turns out people like this?
And no, its not because we're not harsh enough. If prison worked, the prison population wouldn't be rising would it?
Errrr...yes it did.
Now you say that it is only those convicted of serious crimes such as murder, child abuse etc who deserve harder punishments. Well that's fair enough- but those people constitute a small majority of the prison population in this country.
The great majority of inmates are for non-serious crimes. Non-payment of fines or TV Licence, possession of drugs for personal consumption, many forms of non-violent crime... the list is endless.
So would you still like to see "more prisons built" as you said earlier, to accommodate all these thousands of people who are not a danger to society, or do you agree we're jailing too many people who should not be punished in such way?
How do you know? Ever been inside? Ever visited anyone in prison? Know many ex cons do you?
Go on then, you suggest something? Why do some kids decide the only way to get their kicks is by setting stuff on fire, throwing stones at church parishoners and using younger kids as drugs mules.
To me it seems a lack of discipline and an uncaring set of parents from an early age is to blame.
But if you've got a better idea.
Doesn't that tell you that making prison worse, even a living hell, it's not going to prevent crime one iota?
I always suggest things. You ignore them. Do a search if you like.
Some people deserve (and get given) a life sentence without parole. That's fine by me. What else would you like to do? Whip them daily?
You've lost me.
Yes, child murderers should be locked up. But we should also try and find out why people commit horrendous crimes like this, to try and prevent it happening in the future.
Sorry, still lost me.
As I've said - most people don't think about consequences. People are complex, with many differing motivations for things, some conscious, some unconscious.
Maybe you'll realise this when you grow up a bit.
Shouldn't you move to a place like Saddam Hussein's Iraq (somone who you were criticising as a monster the other day, if memory serves) where they used to do the things you are suggesting?
Errrr...it was like that 20 years ago. Only difference now is that due the consumerist capitalist society we live in and the growing gap between the rich and poor, there is more stuff to steal and more jealousy.
I remember 20 years ago. Do you?
Thats nostalgia for you. People always look at things through rose tinted specs, remember the good and forget the bad.
Doesn't mean its true though.
I do remember 20 years ago, and its about the same IMO.
Child killers have always existed, and will always exist.
All those 'If it were down to me I'd end up child abuse and murders in weeks' types really make me laugh.
LMFAO! You really aren't very bright are you?
So you've seen paedophiles kill children have you? Errr....OK. :eek:
And they do it because "sentences are weak" do they?
Yeah, right. :rolleyes:
Do you know on average how many children are murdered by child killers/abusers on average?
You'd think 50 or 100 per year, judging by the media endless coverage.
It is in fact around 8 per year. And that includes teenagers.
Compared that number with the number of children killed in road accidents (many hundreds).
Pardon?
Do you really think that people such as paedophiles, who are obviously mentally ill in some way, think about the consequences of their actions?
They don't.
OK, now we're getting somewhere.
So do you think that mentally ill people think about the consequences of their actions?
Do you not think it would be a good idea to find out why some people behave like this? And try and prevent it happening in the future?