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Please guys I let myself to be involved in the discussion I had no intention to be in. I didn’t ask you whether taxes are good or bad ( I know the answer and you can’t change the truth just because you can’t imagine that the Earth can be round and we can survive without Great and Wise Government ruling us).
I’d like to know your opinions:
WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU KNEW YOUR NEIGHBOUR DIDN’T PAY TAXES. WHOULD YOU INFORM AUTHORITIES ABOUT HIM?
It is not politics, I am not interested what do you think of taxes; I just want to know what would you do in such situation.
I have no wish to judge; I want to UNDERSTAND. I know the question is tough, this is not about some abstract billionaire living million miles aside on Bahamas- this is about your next-door-people.
Excuse me again, I have no wish to judge; don’t judge and don’t be judged just try to understand.
What is just and fair from your point of view?
I’d like to know your opinions:
WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU KNEW YOUR NEIGHBOUR DIDN’T PAY TAXES. WHOULD YOU INFORM AUTHORITIES ABOUT HIM?
It is not politics, I am not interested what do you think of taxes; I just want to know what would you do in such situation.
I have no wish to judge; I want to UNDERSTAND. I know the question is tough, this is not about some abstract billionaire living million miles aside on Bahamas- this is about your next-door-people.
Excuse me again, I have no wish to judge; don’t judge and don’t be judged just try to understand.
What is just and fair from your point of view?
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However, ive found myself *again* in a similar situation (a family memeber of my fella) and im going to grass this second person up. Not necessarily because i think its the right thing to do, but because he is a twat, a nasty selfish arsehole.
If you dont have a responsibility to your neighbour then do what you feel is right (for me, i may be inclined to report them) but, if i was close to my neighbour then i wouldnt say anything, i would stand by my friend and let IR find him out for themselves.
So a question I can't answer really.
there are plenty of lads down the local who work all week in a propper job ...and do cash in the hand at weekends.
there are plenty of single mums on benefits who do a bit of cleaning and stuff to help improve their andtheir childs quality of life ...best of luck to them i say.
i don't see how it's anyone elses business.
busy bodies.
what do you achieve by getting other people in trouble ...damaging their lives?
it's not as if they are abusing children or robbing old ladies.
Why the hell should I pay a third of my wages to the government when the dosser next door doesn't?
Same with car tax, why should I pay when the car in the driveway next to me doesn't?
Yu don't start paying serious tax until you're on about £12000 a year. Someone on £6000 a year pays about £5 a month tax. So they've got no excuse.
All is needed is a simple sales tax! Direct taxation is unjust!
*yawn*
Did you not read the bit where the poster said
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I would report the person if I knew they were doing it all the time.
Whowhere’s attitude looks disgusting for me.
He is like a slave informing a slave-driver about his mates plotting to escape a plantation. East German Stasi used this logics too killing people near Berlin Wall ’the bastards dare to get freedom we don’t have!’
This kind of voluntary serf was a base of Stalin’s, Hitler’s and Saddam’s regimes. Any dictatorship can’t survive without them.
PS To Moderator.
If you think my post is violating your rules don’t bother to block me or something.
Just tell me and I shut up forever.
My best regards.
I would grass them if they could afford to pay taxes, like if they were raking it in and stuff then yes.
If it was like a wee woman with a kid and doing a bit of cleaning then no.
Erm, I don't think so. Like I said in another post, why the hell should I pay a third of my wages in tax in order that the benefit cheat living next door can have 2 jobs and barely pay any taxes.
It's not good enough he pays his VAT, I pay that too. I pay road tax, income tax, national insurance.
Answer me, WHY should I pay for all that when i could simply not bother because the guy next door doesn't.
I'm pissed off with all you liberal types, "oh but if he isn't earning much, or if it's a single mother". Their tax bands reflect their situation, and by them not paying tax, i have to pay MORE. The government has to make up the shortfall somewhere, and it normally comes from the pockets of the law abiding.
Yupyup. Id somebody is so against taxation then they shouldn't see a shrink, get NHS dental treatment... they should empty their bins themselves and repair the streetlights outside their house.
Would I report them? Would I bollocks. I try and keep as far away from the police as possible.
No, it usually comes from the poor. The rich don't pay nearly enough.
And if you ask a question like this, its going to become a debate about taxation.
Like I said at the beginning of this thread, this whole discussion is a bit pointless if you can't give the reasoning for your opinion. If Labrat wanted a yes I would/no I wouldn't report a tax dodger living next door, then a poll should have been done instead.
Try Hong Kong, they always just had a flat rate tax system.
Erm, back to the question. I'm not sure if I would or not, it would depend on the person.
I do very much think though that avoiding tax is the same as stealing from the rest of us.
If everyone paid the taxes they were supposed to the Government would have a lot more money. We could therefore have more public services, or pay less tax.
As others have said, why should I support people who think they are better than me, who think they are above paying tax.
i know what you mean about those who think they are better than the rest of us ...cos they managed to avoid a couple of million quid in due taxes ...but i would still not report them.
I don't mind giving taxes away, it's when the government spend it on gay things like the millenium dome that pisses me off... or sending troops to wars for oil.
But then how can you force somebody to pay tax? Maybe we should be like the USA and have health insurance instead eh?
I don't mind paying taxes... well I won't in a few months when I leave college and it doesn't bother me that a lot of my friends are on the dole. What does bother me is how much politicians earn... because isn't that where a lot of our taxes go? or to pay for the Queen's life of luxury whilst her kids have benefits and an education better than what most of us can afford... all because they're born in to that position?
but ...it's always the poor what gets the blame ...
No-one likes paying tax, but it's even more galling when you pay more because the bugeer next door isn't pulling in his "fair share".
Personally though, I would like to see more effort put into closing some of the loopholes which allow those with money to avoid paying their share, before starting on lower incomes.
It comes from the Middle classes.
The poor don't pay any because they don't earn enough.
The rich don't pay much because they control everything.
Do you think it's fair that I earn £1500 a month and have to watch as £500 of that vanishes before I can even get my hands on it?
Like MOK says, I couldn't give a toss about the person next door and their situation if they are flouting the law and ensuring that in the next budget I have to pay an extra £50 to cover the £50 they decided not to pay.
You have really earned the right to name yourself Guru.
The problem is we live in a Democracy, therefore the majority rule, and the majority WANT taxes. Its as simple as that.
They should be locked up.
I would agree, if each individual provided their own "services" such as police, military defence, health care, education etc.
Thing is that we all expect some level of Govt support, in some form, and that doesn't come free.
Tax is the means by which we fund those aspects of society which benefit all of society...
Translating from political slang into human language this means, ‘if you refuse to pay for my toys you should be fined, arrested, jailed, beaten up by prison guard, raped by career criminals and shot if you don’t like this.’
Pure Stalinism, and I don’t intend to discuss this. The things I’d like to talk about seriously.
If you want to know how could society work without taxes, democracy, the police, the government etc. you can read for example Machinery Of Freedom by David Friedman ( he is an economist and a son of a famous economist Nobel laureate Milton Friedman who has left his father far behind. It is wonderful how different people come to the same conclusions in different ways. Doctor Friedman is an anarchist due to his deep understanding of economics, I’ve come to the same kind of social philosophy from my religious believes in very young age when I didn’t understand anything about economics and social issues).
I’m not a professor and I’m not convinced in my ability to keep the conversation at high level of every aspect so I’d concentrate on things I know better , namely education, foreign aid and ( to some degree) the police.
and the fifty quid? it doesn't work like that and you know it.
if everyone started paying what they owe ...there would still be an excuse to take more money off you ...no matter who is in power.
you can't possibly believe that grassing someone up for not paying the tillerman is going to have the slightest effect on your life.