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Super sizing...

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
The new McDonald's Debate- I think it was even on ESPN last night.

Should McDonald's end the super sizing for the big American appetites, or should people be able to choose for themselves, knowing fulling the repercussions of the amount of calories, fat, trans fat, etc?

Pal of mine who is stick thin is very irritated that he will have to buy 2 large fries from now on and pay more because he has a good metabolism. I reminded him that the cholesterol can still get him, but he pointed out that he knew fully what he was eating and its his heart.

Are the people who are super sizing now just going to be tripling their fry order, or do you think it will make a difference?

People can still go to Wendy's for their Biggie Menu!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes, it should be stopped. Though it isnt enough. These 'foods' should be sold as little as possible
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In addition the 'food' in question should carry health warnings.

    Did you people hear about that chap who decided to have breakfast, lunch and dinner at a McD (or was it a BK?) for a full month as an experiment? He created an internet blog to record any changes, and the state of him was absolutely shocking at the end of the month. About 10 kgs fatter, with incredible levels of cholesterol and in actual danger of organ failure.

    That gives you an idea of the vile effects such food has on the body.

    I'm all for slapping VAT on unhealthy foods anyway.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm usually not one for over-caring nanny states but in the case of food it cannot be emphasised enough. Because at the end of the day it's all about education.

    Fast food is VERY bad for you, and regardless of whether the 'we're all going to die' argument and all of that, fast food has an immediate effect on people's lives (usually children).

    In addition it is of poor quality and takes like shite- something to which most people eventually agree on once their taste buds evolve a bit. So I really can't see any benefits of such food.

    I don't think I'd never have children but if I did I'd be fucked before I take them to a fast food joint. Quite why so many parents allow their kids to eat such things is well beyond me. Perhaps detailed information about the fat and salt contents of such products and their effects on people would encourage more parents to take their children elsewhere- even if it results in a little tantrum from the kid because he didn't get a plastic toy with his meal.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    Quite why so many parents allow their kids to eat such things is well beyond me.

    Its called 'a treat', parents often give children treats and going to McDonalds or BK is where the kids like to go.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I was in McD's the other day and it was full of screaming over weight kids and over weight mothers, it was nasty. I eat around 10 McD's and BK's a year it tastes bad and sometimes gives me stomach ache for a few hours afterwards.......

    Bopz
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Bopperz
    I was in McD's the other day and it was full of screaming over weight kids and over weight mothers, it was nasty.
    Bopz

    that wasnt me, honest :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Stuff like McDonalds IS fine as a treat, however it isn't seen as a treat anymore.
    It was only a treat when the kids had to rely on their parents to buy it for them on special occasions.
    Now they have their own money, and in my opinion are a bunch of spoilt little brats.

    When I was younger I might have had a McDonalds once a month, if that. Now you see kids living off the stuff, parents taking them there every other night because they can't be arsed to cook a decent meal.
    It's disgusting that we can all see this country turning into a small, greener version of America yet we aren't doing anything about it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i dont think they should allow supersize meals but then im a health food junkie.

    me mam never let me eat Mcdonalds and im fairly healthy, apart from lack of exercise i have no real health issuses, and im not overweight, if anything im slightly underweight.
    whereas my friends' mam took them to Mcdonalds over twice a week and although she exercises loads she's still overweight.

    i dont think enough stress is put on how important a healthy diet is in school. only at the start of this year did our school start serving tuna pasta salads and fruit, unfortunately they still serve the burgers and chips etc
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    A lot of problems start at school, especially when we are talking younger children.
    Our Becks used to like vegetables, she started school dinners and now she says she does not like them. All it takes is for one kid to say " cabbage is horrible" and the kid who once liked cabbage now hates it.
    Ive had many a go at our Becks and said "you like cabbage" but because whoever doesnt like it then she gets it into her head she doesent like it, hence she wont eat her veg.

    But im making progress !!! During the week we had roast beef dinner and she actually ate a few carrots and one piece of cauliflower (albeit they were small pieces), so I was well chuffed :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yuk, the advertising MacDonalds have on TV is disgusting, brainwashing kids like that. Especially as they're too young to understand what's healthy and what's not and the impact of eating too much of that crap on your health. And then there's all these stick thin models in the media supposedly representing what we should be like?

    If you get me... I blame the media if anything. As for supersizing it, a regular meal ain't big enough to fill anyone for long, so why not supersize it? people will soon complain as the rate of obesity soars and has an impact on the NHS.

    Oh and MacDonalds don't have a fantastic animal rights record... and KFC are disgusting for that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by MoonRat
    Yuk, the advertising MacDonalds have on TV is disgusting, brainwashing kids like that. Especially as they're too young to understand what's healthy and what's not and the impact of eating too much of that crap on your health. And then there's all these stick thin models in the media supposedly representing what we should be like?

    If you get me... I blame the media if anything. As for supersizing it, a regular meal ain't big enough to fill anyone for long, so why not supersize it? people will soon complain as the rate of obesity soars and has an impact on the NHS.

    People are complaining.
    As for what we should look like, yes it's all very well and good being comfortable with your weight, but it's universally agreed that being as fat as someone like Michelle McManus for instance is totally unnecassary, especially as she is setting a very bad example.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    if they want the huge fries bad enough, they will buy 2 smaller ones. you can't stop overeating and indulgance like that by not making it anymore, they will find other ways. 2 smaller ones being more expensive than one large one... coincidence? mcdonalds doesn't care about the health of people they care about profit. why should they care about the fore? introducing salads as a healthy substituet, no, they introduced them because healthy eating is becoming more popular and they could make a buck off it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Informed Choice.

    Put the warning on the food, allow McD/KFC/BK etc to advertise on TV but the very next advert should be a counter showing the effects, and educate in school.

    Then let people decide from themselves...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by my_name
    if they want the huge fries bad enough, they will buy 2 smaller ones.

    They won't though. In Britain there is a culture that you will eat what is put in front of you. If a supersize portion of chips was put in front of someone they'd eat them, even if they weren't hungry.
    Same with the regular size, most people won't eat more than one packet.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    but its fast food, you order what you want. you choose how many chicken nuggets you want, you choose how many fries you want. you don't think that if somebody has the urge to eat an excessive amount of fries that they won't buy it? and also, fast food corporations are global. that cluture of eating whats there isn't everywhere. here its just simply eat what you want, stop eating when you want with no thought of how much food is there or left over.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Can I just double check how many people here think there is some great mass of the population who don't know fast food is bad for them? The idea of the great unwashed blindly wandering around eating whatever is shoved infront of them with no idea of the effects just seems very patronising.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's nasty stuff and I deff know its bad for me, especially in large amounts! Everyone must notice how there fingers look like theve been dipped in some kind of greese after eating fast food! I dont think people are ignorant about the risks involved but they just choose to ignor them.

    Bopz
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    This has been done before- bad food does NOT cause obesity, for people are eating FEWER calories now than they were FIFTY YEARS AGO. It's not a point that's mentioned often, but it's a fact- the problem is that people are now burning off fewer calories than the drop in calorie consumption- i.e. people are not exercising enough.

    Oh, and Aladdin, how do you intend to work this VAT scheme? VAT is already charged in restaurants and cafes, so it couldn't be added there. It would have to be added at the supermarket, and many convenience foods are already deemed to be a "luxury" anyway. What VAT would be added to would be things like fish fingers, cans of beans, frying oil, and that would unfairly penalise those on low budgets even more than now- people on low budgets buy poor food because it is cheaper than fresh fruit and vegetables.

    The problem is not that people buy poor food out of choice, they buy it out of necessity. A medium-sized florette of broccoli costs the same as three cans of Value beans, and the beans will go three times as far. A bag of Value chips costs less than a small bag of Value potatoes, and goes just as far. People will eat healthily if it is a cost-effective option, but it is not.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Jim V
    Can I just double check how many people here think there is some great mass of the population who don't know fast food is bad for them? The idea of the great unwashed blindly wandering around eating whatever is shoved infront of them with no idea of the effects just seems very patronising.

    People still smoke, don't they...

    But I don't think that people know precisely what effect it has. The recent anti-smoking camapign showing the clogged artery and the crap that can be sqeezed out was very good. Fatty food has exactly the same effect, so perhaps we need to show people the bare facts rather than cosying it up to make it palatable...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Jim V
    Can I just double check how many people here think there is some great mass of the population who don't know fast food is bad for them? The idea of the great unwashed blindly wandering around eating whatever is shoved infront of them with no idea of the effects just seems very patronising.

    I quite agree. But one must remember that doctors are the biggest set of smug self-satisfied tossers the world has even known- if you don't agree with one, it is because you are stupid.

    I doubt few mothers are happy at having to feed their children rubbish because it is all that can be afford. I doubt few mothers are happy at their kids never going out and playing football because he's stuck inside doing his 17 hours of homework a night. If people exercised more then people wouldn't be fat, but we have become a sedentary people.

    If children were only allowed to walk to school then childhood obesity would stop being a problem, but the hysteria whipped up about paedophilia in particular has meant that parents are too scared to let their children do this, and the spread of working life to both parents means that a parent no longer has time to escort the child.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent
    People still smoke, don't they...

    There isn't a smoker in the land who doesn't know what the risks are, but they keep on smoking anyway. The fatty deposit advert won awards, but few people have stopped smoking because of it.

    Putting bigger warnings hasn't seen sales plummet, nor has banning advertising.

    What people have difficulting grasping is that people KNOW THE RISKS, but choose to ignore them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    But one must remember that doctors are the biggest set of smug self-satisfied tossers the world has even known- if you don't agree with one, it is because you are stupid.

    You know I would love to quote that in a meeting one day...

    Agree that exercise is the important part, and of course for several generations now playing fields have been sold off and developed...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    There isn't a smoker in the land who doesn't know what the risks are, but they keep on smoking anyway.

    Sorry, that was meant in agreement with Jim, not as an argument...
    The fatty deposit advert won awards, but few people have stopped smoking because of it.

    But many have been encouraged to try... from what I have seen locally there have been more attendees at GPs for assistance...
    What people have difficulting grasping is that people KNOW THE RISKS, but choose to ignore them.


    and the risks are highlighted at every opportunity, which is all that I suggest for foods too. Have you seen the McD leaflet which explains how their food is good for you?

    Point is that the warnings on packets and the huge anti-smoking advertising is what informs people that smoking is bad. We don't do that with food and yet the implication of that [on ths NHS] are actually higher than smoking is...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent
    You know I would love to quote that in a meeting one day...

    I do. It's hard enough having to see one every six months, but having to WORK with one? It must be hell:p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent
    Point is that the warnings on packets and the huge anti-smoking advertising is what informs people that smoking is bad. We don't do that with food and yet the implication of that [on ths NHS] are actually higher than smoking is...

    I actually hadn't really thought of it like that. I suppose the warnings are ineffective as prevention but they do keep the issue in the public eye.

    Warnings on a Big Mac box probably are the way to go...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Slightly off topic but while we're at it let's make McShite and the other joints change the photographs of their products that can be found in their "restaurants". Has anyone, ever in their lives, been served a burger that remotely resembled what can be seen above the counter in the big photographs?

    Surely a case for the Advertising Standards Agency.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I dunno, this is a difficult one I suppose. I eat McDonald's (not regularly mind you), but I think it's less to do with the content, and more to do with the lifestyle of people nowadays. People are definitely not excercising as much as they need to, and since fast food is exactly that, it's convienent for people as well, and these two aspects compound the problem. I think the government should make people more aware of exercise and take steps to introduce that as an aspect of people's life (we could do like Japan does and have morning exercise classes in work etc :p) One thing that does annoy me though is that people do ignore the facts, with a devil-may-care 'It'll never happen to me' advert... Oh, whowhere, Michelle McManus isn't making abad impression. Yeah, she's fat, but she's showing you can be successful (meatloaf etc. were fat as well). Being fat isn't necessarily a 'bad' thing, unhealthy yes, but not bad. You can also have a guy who's skinny, but really unhealthy (seen the scottish beef advert?), so I think it's a matter of lifestyle, as I said above.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You are right that being fat does not always mean being unhealthy. Some overweight people do exercise and happen to be in good general health. But there are clear cases of obesity, especially in children, that simply should not be allowed to happen.

    The odd fast food burger does not do any harm (or very little) of course... but the problem is that like others have pointed out there are people who eat at McDs or BK every day or several times a week anyway. Not good at all, and if dinner at home also happens to be unhealthy (chips every other night) and the kids supplement all that with chocolate bars and other candy, then the compound effect is a massive amount of saturated fat, sugars and salt content.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Anything in excess is unhealthy (besides the obvious stuff). I definitely don't think it's good for anyone to eat MDs (not WMDs) every day, but they should be informed at school of the dangers and of the fact that it will happen to them, they will get fat. But a big emphasis should be placed on exercise. I'm just wondering about the guy doing the breakfast/luinch/dinner experiment, did he exercise 3 times a week while eating all that stuff? And the amount of saturated fat etc has been going up continously since rationing stopped, yet the gov. hasn't done much about it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    I quite agree. But one must remember that doctors are the biggest set of smug self-satisfied tossers the world has even known- if you don't agree with one, it is because you are stupid.

    Your doctor must be self-satisfied tosser in the first place to have an attitude like that. My dad isn't like that.
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