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Prostitution

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Referred to as the world's oldest "profession," prostitution is defined as the act or practice of selling oneself for sexual purposes. It is also defined as an unworthy use of a talent, quality, or the like, especially for personal gain. What's interesting is that the former is illegal in all states except Nevada while the latter has been morally and culturally accepted since the beginning of time. This begs the question: is there any difference between a street walker/escort and a person who uses their physical beauty to attain a lifestyle that others labor very hard to attain? Too often in our society we see evidence of the "trophy spouse"; a reward received by those who achieve success in business or entertainment. The marriage consists of a person who sees a beautiful spouse as something to obtain and a person who deliberately shops lifestyle by any sexual means necessary.

Some would argue that prostitution should be made legal so that (just as with drugs) it can be regulated by the state and become a source of revenue enhancement. Furthermore, sex between strangers would be safer since the government (as in Nevada) would require regular medical examinations to prevent the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. The problem facing this country is that we haven't reconciled these two definitions thus creating the existence of a double standard. We are quick to arrest and condemn the street walker/escort but would never think to shun a sexual opportunist. In many ways, prostitution already is legal in our society. People pay to watch two people have sex with each other but yet cannot pay each other for sex. I recall two people comparing their lifestyles while waiting in line at the airport. One person told the other "the difference between you and me is that you pay for your sex with cash and I pay for it with dinners, clothing and jewelry". The problem with this country today is not that we are a nation of laws but rather a nation that continually contradicts itself when it comes to morality.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    prostitution should be legalised. why should sex generate money for pimps who usualy have total control over their women ...some are actualy very kind and helpful men, very protective and supportive and even generous to their 'staff' but these are few and far between.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would set some very strict ground rules for it but I would prefer prostitution legalised over drugs. As long as it's all above board, clean and safe.

    I think there'll be some giggles in the treasury for setting taxes on a hand shandy though. Realistically, it could work but it's still a bit taboo and there would be a huge backlash.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It has worked in Amsterdam hasn't it? There are lots of regulations though, I think its come under the duristiction of the Minister for Health over there.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think it should be legalised, but done properly with the women being taxed. Also, an assessment should be done beforehand to make sure that the women are in good mental health.

    I mean why is sex seen as so profane in the first place? I suppose this country is still fairly Christian and all, but maybe it's time to move on and to celebrate sexuality instead of repressing it.

    Besides it's safer for them to have it controlled than to have kids on the streets selling themselves.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by MoonRat

    I mean why is sex seen as so profane in the first place? I suppose this country is still fairly Christian
    and jesus famously spent his time with prostitutes and thieves ...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    and jesus famously spent his time with prostitutes and thieves ...

    Despite a lot of the Bible appearing mysoginist, Jesus imo wasn't anything like what the church teaches its followers to be like. But then sadly, some people think they're closer to God and have the right to judge and say who's going to heaven and hell and to repress sexuality and human nature... Not the liberal and gentle man Jesus was. He did bugger all for personal gain, pissed off the jews for being nice to women and shocked everybody by helping a leper... and the poor guy ended up on the cross.

    Ouchies.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Personally I find it a bit distasteful, but that doesnt effect my view that it should be legal.

    However I dont think the situation in the 'Dam is a good one, the red light district there is still full of nasty people, pimps, drug dealers and the whole thing with them being on show depressed the fuck out of me. It was one of the more depressing things I've ever seen I think.

    It should be legal but with no advertising, if you want to open a brothel you have to get a licence, the women get checks, advice etc. and you run it like a small members club.

    Its already de facto legal in London anyway, (been to Soho anyone?) so we should make the proper change and actually help the women.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Again, what I think of prostitution is what I think of drugs. Those women having to become prostitutes should be given the full protection of the law, and should be helped to stop being prostitutes, but the offence of "living off immoral earnings" should be strengthened against the pimps.

    Prostitution is effectively legal anyway, if you can afford to pay for it. There's been several articles in Glamour about it, and more little rich kids are doing it to stay in Prada. They shouldn't be allowed to.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Couldn't porn be classed as a form of prostitution? Woman, and men, are selling themselves for sexual purposes.

    Just a thought.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Prostitution shouldn’t be legalised. It should be decriminalised. Sadly enough but this option even isn’t discussed anywhere. NZ parliament legalized prostitution recently but decriminalisation wasn’t been offered by any party.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ^
    explain why?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What benefits does decriminalisation have that legalisation doesnt? What do you gain by only going half way?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by bongbudda
    What benefits does decriminalisation have that legalisation doesnt? What do you gain by only going half way?

    It stops those who have to offer the services from being punished, but it remains possible to punish those who do use the services.

    That is pretty much how the law stands here- it's not illegal to have sex for money, it's illegal to solicit it. People who use prostitutes should be punished, but the prostitutes themselves should be helped to get off the drink and drugs, etc. The pimps- they should be jailed for a very long time.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    But if it is between two parties who are regulated, whats the problem.

    If it was brought under tighter state control you could better regulate it, help the women involved and of course tax their income.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit

    People who use prostitutes should be punished, but the prostitutes themselves should be helped to get off the drink and drugs, etc. The pimps- they should be jailed for a very long time.
    you have been watching to much telly. only the bottom end of the market are junkies and drunks. the majority of prostitutes look after themselves and earn serious money ...have nice homes and families.
    if someone wants to pay for sex why the hell should they be punished!?
    if someone wants to pay me twenty quid to feel my arse what the fuck has it got to do with anyone else?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I know it should be made legal, but you do raise a lot of moral issues about women selling themselves for sex, which personally I think is wrong.
    There you go.

    (waits for the verbal abuse)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Personally I dont really like it either, but as Rolly points out, whats it got to do with me.

    As long as both parties aggree and its not an abusive relationship I dont see what business it is of mine.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So here we have consenting adults and if someone wants to pay for sex then let em get on with it. Not all men go to prostitutes for sex you know, some go purely for companionship, someone to talk to, someone to hold......its NOT just sex.
    Some women are into prostitution because they need the money, so let them get on with it. If they needed money id rather them do this than turn to a life of crime.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere
    I know it should be made legal, but you do raise a lot of moral issues about women selling themselves for sex, which personally I think is wrong.
    There you go.

    (waits for the verbal abuse)

    Define morality.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Noone can define morality as a whole. It changes from person to person.
    However the general consensus in the UK is that whilst prostitution should be legal for the protection of the hookers, to sell your body for someone to have sex is normally viewed as immoral.
    I believe cheapening somebody's body like that is wrong, same with porn.
    But it's an opinion, and I doubt many people will agree with it, but that's their lookout.
    I think the easiest way to define morality for your ownself is like this. If you had the choice, would you do it? Would you sleep with someone for money Moonrat? not because you have an addiction, or have been forced, just because you want to.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    How is selling your body any different from selling your labour?

    (not saying it is or isn't, just interested in peoples opinions)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere
    I believe cheapening somebody's body like that is wrong, same with porn.
    But it's an opinion, and I doubt many people will agree with it, but that's their lookout.

    But why is it cheapening somebody's body... because it says so in the Bible? We have free will to do what we want and to be honest, personally I think the worst crime towards the human body is repression of sexuality. Because the human body is not celebrated enough and I'm a believer that if we were more open with sexuality society would be more chilled out... I mean I'm not toally Freudian, but the old loon had a point.
    I think the easiest way to define morality for your ownself is like this. If you had the choice, would you do it? Would you sleep with someone for money Moonrat?

    Yeah, if I had the figure I'd sleep with girls for money, I'd work in the porn business. I'm also considering a nudist camp this summer :p
    How is selling your body any different from selling your labour?

    You're not 'selling' your body though, you're providing a service. Just like a singer, postman, policeman... everybody has sex, it's no big deal.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    To a lot of people sex is a big deal. yes, a lot of people sleep with strangers, but even more people regret it and say they prefer it a lot more in a loving relationship. I know I do.

    There is no physical difference to selling labour or selling your body, however a lot of people like I said above believe sex is something you should give, not sell.
    Myself included, you can give your body to anyone. But selling it means you are detaching yourself from the act, making it as unimportant as working in McDonalds. (No offence to all you burger jockeys out there)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm not an idiot, MR, I'm well aware of the high-class hookers who fuck for cash to keep themselves in Prada. But they are ignored by the law pretty much anyway, not least of all because there's many a politician or high-flying copper who partakes in a bit of "companionship".

    Sex shouldn't be interfered with, because the state does not belong in the bedroom, but I think a line must always be drawn. I guess it's just me being old-fashioned, but there's something just a bit too distasteful about prostitution becoming socially acceptable.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    more wasted police time and resources. it shouldn't matter how individuals view it. what matters is the police should be there to protect the public. laws and limitations can be put into place to make sure it doesn't offend anyone i'm sure.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    the police should be there to protect the public

    Of course. But I don't understand how legalising buying sex would do this- low-clas whores are often illegal immigrants anyway, and the high-clas hookers would, I'm sure, rather continue their business in the five-star hotels as at present.

    The illegal immigrants won't declare themselves to get the license, and the high-class ones won't declare themselves to avoid the income tax.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere
    yes, a lot of people sleep with strangers,

    like on a Friday or Sat night when the fellas buying the girl drinks all night, then he takes her home.....one night stands, basically its the same. The girl aint getting money but they have had free drinks all night.

    Again I will say sometimes its not about sex, its fellas who might be on their own. They want someone to hold, cuddle up to etc and if it leads to sex then so what ? they are both consenting adults if they want sex then let them get on with it.
    If they have sex then thats exactly what it is SEX, its not making love its something for the fella to releive himself and thats it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit

    The illegal immigrants won't declare themselves to get the license, and the high-class ones won't declare themselves to avoid the income tax.
    good point. but whats the point in arresting people ...mounting police operations ...the paperwork ...the courts and the solicitors ...the prisons and probation services ...what does it achieve?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    like on a Friday or Sat night when the fellas buying the girl drinks all night, then he takes her home.....one night stands, basically its the same. The girl aint getting money but they have had free drinks all night.

    Again I will say sometimes its not about sex, its fellas who might be on their own. They want someone to hold, cuddle up to etc and if it leads to sex then so what ? they are both consenting adults if they want sex then let them get on with it.
    If they have sex then thats exactly what it is SEX, its not making love its something for the fella to releive himself and thats it.

    It's a good point however I'm talking from the woman's point of view. I suppose you will always get lonely men, but that's what meeting agencies and classified ads are for.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere
    , but that's what meeting agencies and classified ads are for.

    What if the man has facial scars/disfigurement ? he wont be at ease going to a dating agency.
    Some men find it easier to hand over ex amount of pounds knowing that the girl is just doing her job and she will not take the piss out of him, or humiliate him.
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