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This is ignorant rubbish. There are lots of differing strands of Islam. As I said, to say that all Muslims support a war against the west is as stupid as saying that all Catholics support the IRA.
:rolleyes:
You're doing a grand job of missing the point.
Christians kill in the name of religion. Does this mean that all Christians are murderers?
"His" (it isn't him who's invented it) concept isn't wrong, when it's the one which we've seen several muslims worldwide embrace.
My point with what?
Ignorant rubbish which was doublechecked in a university teachingbook for lingual studies of arabic :rolleyes:
Your point with what you're saying. The term Jihad gets wrongly reported in the media as meaning "holy war". It doesn't mean this, but its obvious thats what Globe thinks it does mean.
So whats your point?
Doesn't mean that you know what it means in respect of ordinary Muslim's beliefs. Try talking to some.
Have I stated that all Muslims are murderers? The parallel you're drawing there is not based on anything which I have said.
My point is, that Jihad does in the context of current world affair gets used as a holy fight against the ideologies of the western world.
Anything else which needs clarification.
Who was talking about ordinary muslims? I was talking about the actions commited of terrorists in the name of Islam.
For your information I am interacting with Muslims daily. Having more to do with them than some of my classmates.
But I guess my points are stillunvalid and rubbish.
Cause I not only get them from authorised books, I get them from the people I know as well :eek:
This statement, in the context of this thread, seems to imply that you think that all Muslims support the actions of a small minority.
As do Globe's statements. My point about Jihad is that Globe doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about. Neither do you by the looks of it.
From
http://www.oneummah.net/faq/index.php?op=view&t=29
From
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/glossary/term.JIHAD.html
How far off was that from your websites?
Wether or not hijacking, kidnapping etc. is allowed or not, it is still done in the name of islam, and therefore goes under the name Islamic Extremism.
When Jihad is used by muslim leaders worldwide, against the west, it does imply that the war is holy and that it is expected to join it.
[edited to add]
Just because a tiny minority of Muslims have misappropriated a term for their own violent ends, does not mean that that is the true meaning.
Same as just because a tiny minority of Christians use the Bible to justify the persecution of homosexuals, this does not mean that that is the true message of the bible.
Affirmative. I know many Muslims.
I also know Buddhists, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Catholics, Protestants, atheists, and plain old garden variety ignorants...
Your "so what?" commentary? Affirms you are in ignorance of that wish you wish to discuss... or simply... pontificate from ignorance.
Take your own advice, and read a little. Come back when you might address the conversation, from a perspective of other than your prejudice and ignorance.
For your edification, I have friends who Israelis, and Palestinians. And I separate the person from the beliefs. However, I am not ignorant as to the specifics of their beliefs.
Currently you're the ignorant one, when openly presuming what hasn't been stated by me.
You obviously have not a clue as to what I think, nor why.
You prefer to observe through the taint of your personal prejudice, and ignorance.
So be it...
You quite blatantly are.
Well learn to communicate better then. :rolleyes:
The question, again...
HAVE YOU READ THE KORAN???
Yes or no?
Do you know what you are talking about... same answer, please...
So...just exactly whom is it who defines "ignorance"?
You seem to be implying that there is only one interpretation of Islam. There isn't, there are many.
But did the US go into the war with the intent on killing Innocent people? No. Did Bin Laden plan the 9/11 attacks to kill innocent people? Yes. The first casualty of war is innocence. You can't always help killing innocent people.
Innocence is relative isn't it? I'm sure from Bin Laden's pov, people working for big business and finance in the WTC weren't innocent (I don't agree with this, just making a point).
And actually I think the US forces have killed thousands of innocent people in Afghanistan and Iraq, not to mention all the other countries they've bombed or invaded over the past 40 years, or all the coups they've supported, all the massacres they've turned a blind eye to, all the oppresive regimes they've armed or all the people that have died of starvation or inadequate labour/environmental laws due to the Wests unfair trade rules.
Bhopal anyone?
Does being a Muslim make you a liar then?
I've met some lovely Muslims, Buddhists, I have a friend who's Jewish and know a few Christians of different denomination and I myself am pagan. I've never found any grouping to be more prone to lies.
So it says something in the Qu'ran about lying to non believers? Or was that like... a joke I'm not getting? because in another post of yours you made what appeared to me like a generalisation about followers of Islam.
Indeed there are terrorist attacks all over the world, I dunno why 9/11 got so much hype either to be honest... Ok, it was a big building and all... *shrugs*
Definition of terrorism - The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
So maybe war is terrorism too? As for killing innocents, I think the clusterbombs used in Iraq recently did that knowingly. I mean weapons like that kill indiscriminantly and lie dormant for years, I think personally that, knowing the risks of injury to innocents when using such weapons... well to me it's knowingly killing somebody, homocide so to speak.
It's funny how a country claims to be pro-human rights, but sells killing machines to other countries. Am I to believe that the USA has at some point funded the IRA? Just a note... anyway.
So which country to invade next? A lot of countries have human rights issues.
Feel free to expand on those comments
Speaking of Britain, there?
Careful... might find yourself waist deep in an hypocrisy...
As a British person there is little justification for attacking the American govt without realsisation that the govt that the British have voted for is similar in many ways, including their hypocrisy on arms sales.........
Hell, at least the Tories didn't pretend to favour 'ethical' foreign policy... unlike Blair and co. who claim the moral high ground and want to be seen as a caring, ethical government while selling arms to brutal regimes (often while they're at war with each other), wage illegal wars and ignore international law.
Not necessarily, I am sure there are many who will demonise the US and in particular its foreign policy and will still vote for New Labour in the next election...........