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Then you will support a ban on all traffic then? That is the only way kids are a 100% safe fcrom being knocked ocer..............
Everything which is right-winged isn't evil, and everything which is evil isn't right-winged. Same goes for the left. Pretty easy to lose perspective when not keeping that in mind.
Now, I will agree that people have totally misunderstood Kermit's post, which I think just states that maybe the UK doesn't emphasise speed/drink/drug driving enough. Personally in Denmark they start new campaigns every second year or so. And just started a new one, which has the slogan "Speed makes bad, worse" (directly translated from Danish. It plays on a common phrase we use here).
U just don't think it's fair to say that Paedophilia, gets highlighted too much. Maybe in the wrong way, on that I can agree.
BeckyBoo, when Moroccan Roll, let us all into this, I think he expected a reaction. Shows that we're not all apathetic creatures. But that a lot of us, who don't have this problem in our nearest circle, will actually take time out to discuss it, and think it through. I think that's the best reception this subject could get. And as Kermit never stated that he agrees with paedophilia, didn't even hint out that people should be sympathetic with paedophiles, then I don't get were the frustration and anger comes from.
You've been told that by himself, so it really makes no sense that you keep discussing it as if he was supporting paedophilia, or whatever idea you have.
I dont know, we will have to let him answer that. I personally feel that he needed to speak to someone apart from the family, just to get some of the anger out of his system. Im not saying he wanted us to sit here saying "everything will be fine" but at times when you are down like that then a few nice wods are a comfort.
Im not angry, Jacq really if I was angry then I would have let my mouth go much more than I have. I am just standing up for something that I feel very strong about, what kind of upset me was the fact that as I think ive made clear is that this thread could have been left for a few days just till Mr roll got over his shock. Its all about timing and to me on this kermits timing was wrong.
Id love to get into a full blown debate about peadophiles but because of certain events lately im not prepared to, Id rather leave it till the dust does settle a bit. Its called being compassionate as I can well imagine how Mr Roll is feeling so why make him feel any worse and start debating this now ?
Obviously he was ready to let us into this to some degree, and he knows that our opinions (especially on this board) clash, so I don't really see where that argument is leading to.
There is no argument.......merely opinion, which my happens to be different from other peoples.
peodophillia (sp) has to be a mental illness! The others re not, they are in very different leagues and should not be looked on as the same. It is madness to think such! Maybe we should look at making more awareness for safety of every aspect not bitching and saying one gets more than the other.
The point was that there are many greater dangers to children than peadophiles. The media has whipped up a hysteria amongst the population leaving them to believe that a peadophille llive on every street, when in actual fact the risk from peadophilles is small in comparrison to that of say drink drivers.
This hysteria has gone too far and has resulted in lynch mobs terrorising innocent people.
What difference does that make. The risk from drink drivers is still greater yet it get no where as much attention as peadophillia.
I can understand why poeple get so worked up about peadophilles - it's the nature of the crime and it disgusts people. Yet I still believe it's strange that people seem to be much more concerened about there child getting molested than their child getting killed or seriously injured in a road accident.
Also, some of us don't have children and don't have the overwhelming desire to protect them at all costs.
People are giving their OPINION about the wider issue here, lets not get these things confused.
I know what the point was.
I dont understand why we are comparing the different kinds of harm that can come to a child. To me there is far more coverage on protecting kids fromon fires and motoring accidents than there is against perverts. The media coverage is probably because were far more aware of peodophiles than we ever have been, probably becasue of the internet and if its not stopped now it will spiral out of control.
People who are wreckless drivers or who drink should be punished severely. Lots of accidents happen whilst driving though, a kid being molested is NEVER an accident.
People are terrorising innocent people because the laws today are just not tough enough against perverts!
I am sure the general perception is that dozens and dozens of kids, if not hundreds, are abused and killed by evil paedophiles every year. The figure is in fact 10, and although that's certainly 10 horrible deaths too many, we must put things into perspective a bit.
I myself consider the crime of a gang of youths beating a young teenager half to death, be for bullying or racist motives actually worse than a paedophile touching up the same young teenager. Other people might think different, but still it doesn't justify the national hysteria regarding the latter compared with the near apathy regarding the former.
And then there is one more issue, and issue so taboo that people refuse or is afraid of speaking of. And that is that many- but of course not all- paedophiles are indeed mentally ill people and not the super-evil-straight-out-of-hell sub-human monsters some people like to claim. That doesn't justify their crimes, but certainly should change the approach towards the prevention of future cases and the treatment of current offenders.
It is also changes the perspective on "which crime is the most evil" competition so many see the whole issue as. At the end of the day an intentional racist beating/murder or some selfish scum who drives home pissed every night and one day runs down a kid has to be more evil than someone who has committed an equally atrocious act through irresistible impulses prompted by mental illness.
As you said it's our awareness about peadophilles that has changed but I doubt the actual number of peadophilles has changed much in the last hundred years so I very much doubt the problem is going 'spiral out of control'.
If anything's spiralling out of control it's this view that peadophilles are everywhere. We've got innocent people being through irresponsible reporting in the papers - we have parents that arn't allowed to video the school play - something isn't right!
Death through dangerous/drink driving is not more than just an accident, it's almost murder. A driver doesn't accidentally drive after too many drinks or accidedntly go too fast - they intentionally get in that car!
It doesn't mean I think peadophiles are harmless, and it doesn't mean that I think they should recieve light punishments. All I'm doing is trying to put a perspective on things.
you will never know how many people are abused or how many peodophiles there are! Look across the world in places like thailand. All those child brothels! I watched a program about Romania the other day and the amount of child prostitutes, mainly boys, is vast! Its everywhere, it is spiralling out of control, its just more acceptable to talk about traffic accidents!
Oh I didnt mean to say drink driving was an accident, im saying not all traffic accidents are accidents.
I think the same, we just have different perspectives.
I think there should be more coverage for all things that harm a child. At the end of the day wether your running a child brothel or driving home drunk and running a kid down you have still done a terrible thing.
It IS murder, not almost. They go out basically with a lethal weapon when they have been drinking and decide to get in the car, So treat them like murderers.
Im glad to see someone with some common sense. These people who seem to know how many peadophiles are about cease to amaze me.
How many peados are gonna hold their hand up and say "hey im a peado", they sometimes do not get found out till maybe 10/20 years down the track.
All you have are the figures for convicted peados, how many unconvicted ones are on the loose ?
there are children as young as 6months old. there are pre teens and so on. the stuff that is being downloaded and wanked over is absolutely disgusting. some people think it shouldn't be a crime to download the stuff and just view these images and videos, after all, why should someone be thrown into jail for just thinking about a crime?
the reason it is highly illegal is becuase organised gangs are kidnapping and using these children ...some are never seen again or are found dead and mutilated. some go through mass sexual abuse for years and are physicaly and mentaly destroyed.
this does not equate to an accident but adult criminals organising this mass abuse, torture whatever you want to call it. it doesn't equate to some dirty old man.
how many people support amnesty international to stop the imprisonment and torture of adults, their only crime being a p[olitical or religous viewpoint?
those same people i see have not a fucking clue whats going on in the world of child porn/abuse.
If its illegal to download it why do people get charged with it?
To think its not a crime to download it, is sick. Downloading these images, images of real children that this has been done to, npt pretended to do it, actual sick acts, is as bad as doing it.
i hope my post above does put peadophilla ..."in perspective".
Do you not think it's important to distinguish between manslaughter and murder?
Murder is taking someones life with intent. However stupid death by dangerous driving is - I still don't think it equates to murder.
Read my post again !!!
Im saying they should be treated like murderers.
I always thoguht it was illegal to download child porn, you said it isnt, im saying am I wrong in thinking people get arrested for it etc??
;Originally posted by morrocan roll
having invited the old bill round to take a look at this guys computor ...he's my son in law of 3months aged 25 ...i am now getting an education about downloading child porn and why it is not just illegal but considered very serious.
there are children as young as 6months old. there are pre teens and so on. the stuff that is being downloaded and wanked over is absolutely disgusting. some people think it shouldn't be a crime to download the stuff and just view these images and videos, after all, why should someone be thrown into jail for just thinking about a crime?
the reason it is highly illegal is becuase organised gangs are kidnapping and using these children ...some are never seen again or are found dead and mutilated. some go through mass sexual abuse for years and are physicaly and mentaly destroyed.
this does not equate to an accident but adult criminals organising this mass abuse, torture whatever you want to call it. it doesn't equate to some dirty old man.
how many people support amnesty international to stop the imprisonment and torture of adults, their only crime being a p[olitical or religous viewpoint?
those same people i see have not a fucking clue whats going on in the world of child porn/abuse.
please note ...highly illegal. some people think it shouln't be.
Are you actually gonna LISTEN before spouting your mouth off, or not? Please point to me EXACTLY WHERE I have said paedophilia is anything other than a horrible crime, that deserves to be punished with the full weight of the law if it is merited. Where?
Yes they are, rape of a minor is punishable by life imprisonment, as is indecent assault, if the case merits it. The death penalty is an abomination, so what else do you suggest the maximum tariff should be? And before you witter on about all perverts being let out after six weeeks or something stupid, two words: Rosemary West.
But, as with any other case, the facts of the case need to be taken into account when a punishment tariff is handed down. Or would you suggest life imprisonment for the 13-year-old boy from Teesside who accidentally downloaded a bundle of child porn because he wanted to see what girls his age looked like naked?
OK then, say my figures are 20 times out. Lets say there are one million paedophiles in this country. Thats, ooh, 1/60th of the population. Or, if you prefer, 0.017%. Quick, kill them all, theyre EVERYWHERE! :rolleyes:
And getting into a car after eight pints and mowing down two klids on the way home is pure coincidence? Or is doing 90mph down the motorway, and crashing into another car, killing two children coincidence too?
Oh dear. Manslaughter anyone?
No-one I know thinks downloading child pornography should be legal, especially given the tendency for those who join child-porn rings to have to provide "fresh material" before they can see everyone elses pictures. Unless you think the MBLA is an organisation a sane person should listen to...
Oh dear. Another one who should re-read my post.
I shall repeat again. I think they should be treated like murderers. If a person drives after drinking then I feel they are going out armed with a lethal weapon, I think if they kill someone whilst under the influence of alcohol then they should be treated like a murderer.
Ok :rolleyes:
so stop throwing your toys out of the pram.
in perspective ...two years a group of legal people got to gether with the intentions of bringing a test case to the human rights court, to stop the arrest and imprisonment of downloaders.
there argument is you shouldn't be done for looking at images and merely thinking of commiting a crime against a child. i have merely put the reasons why ...i'm, wasting my fucking breath talking to someone like you .....................
Hear, bloody, hear! Watch Brasseye, all of you.
I think Kermit and I understood the first time. :rolleyes:
Surely people should be treated and punished for the crimes they commit? I really can't see your logic!
Next we'll be treating people who smoke weed like crack dealers and :shocking: all peadophilles like murderers.
Well why question me then, I cant really see the logic in that neither :rolleyes:
On a lighter note, how the hell do I make my italic writing bold black like yours