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Making them watch the murderer of their child hang would be a much more satisfying experience for them.
I believe in capital punishment as a punishment, not as a deterrent and only for use against the most serious of offenders. Serial killers, child rapists, terrorists and those found guilty of treason.
The ones who would never have been deterred in the first place but deserve a suitable punishment.
Right Whowhere? :-\
Rexer
I still believe that most people, if given the choice to spare the life of the condemned as he has the rope round his neck, would do so. Frankly, anyone who doesn't must be seriously fucked up and if they had any human emotions left would deeply regret it later in life.
I favor the death penalty for those who have committed premeditated murder. I believe that those who kill officers of the law should also be subject to the death penalty. Moreover, I believe that those that perpetrate genocide and mass murder should be executed.
While that me seem f****d up it is what I believe. Yes, I would pull the lever or trigger as necessary. Some individuals need to be removed from the gene pool. I don't moralize and ask others to believe as I do but I cannot see people getting away with murder. If it were my family I would like the creep(s) to get there just deserts.
Aladdin I respect your principaled stance on the issue but I must disagree with it. Actually I am not despicable but then again some have ventured the opinion that I am at times f****d up.
Which means bugger all when you consider that the law courts have no standing in the eyes of the Church and therefore their decision to someone should die is still murder in the eyes of God.
Why? What makes a police officer's life more important that, mine or yours?
That seems aninnocuous statement but it may have deeper maening.
Seems to suggest the belief that muderous tendencies are generally a genetic/biological phenomenon rather than a product of living that persons life (or a combination of both)
That seems very wrong to me........
Public opinion , last I heard, would like the restoration of the death penalty, it's the harshest of penalties for the most heinous of criminals (saying that though, the harshest penalty for Ian Brady would be to deny him his radio + anti-depressants)
Would you please elaborate on the point concerning the law courts having no standing in the eyes of the church. I am a bit muddled on that point.
As concerns officers of the law....they are the thin line that keeps order for us in a civilized society.
An individual so depraved as to have indifference towards the living symbol of order and law in society must be dealt with harshly. If a criminal is willing to kill an officer then he has lost all consideration for the rules of civil society and would not hesitate to murder those less able to defend themselves.
Aside from religious arguments, why is it wrong to put someone to death for the commission of crimes as I stated in the earlier post?
bongbudda and toadborg,
The term "removed from the gene pool" is used here as a colloquialism and is not intended to serve as a justification for eugenic purification of society. I don't believe in eugenics or societal purification of the sorts mentioned in your posts.
Ah, but why treason? No one really cares about the royal family anymore, they have no real influance on modern society as the queen no longer makes the rules, the govenment do, although i think she signs the bills they passed or somthing. (sorry im new to all this) i think its just tradition more than anything else really, we could survive without a royal family.
And also if you kill a swan you have committed treason, and could be killed for that still.
i hope i make sence.
Sorry, I'm not religious, but my understanding is that only God can judge. Therefore it isn't inconcievable for the church to say that any death which isn't natural is murder in accordance with the commandments.
Surely though, if the person killed anyone then they are equally depraved/indifferent towards law and order.
It's murder, premeditated at that.
Just because it's done in the name of the state doesn;t make it acceptable.
If the state argues that it is wrong to take a life, then why is it acceptable for them to take one?
If the police are really the only thing holding everyone back from slaughtering anyone in sight, well that’s a deeply depressing thought.
To me that sounds as though you are saying that everyone would be a dangerous criminal if we didn’t have the police. That cant be right, or at least I don’t want to accept its right. Most people obey the law, not because they are afraid of the police but due to some sort of decency.
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All arguments aside there is one fact that can not be disputed about the death penalty as a punishment for capital murderers:
executed murderers will NEVER kill again. (not on this planet anyway)
I don't know, I suppose it depends how many other inmates or guards piss him/her off.
Firstly, I presume most people who advocate the death penalty couldn't care less if a murderer kills another- on the contrary! Think of all the money the State would save...
If you are so concerned for the lives of those who in your opinion don't deserve the death penalty for their crimes (such as robbers for instance) all the State needs to do is put all murderers in the same wing. Problem solved.
And how many guards have been murdered by inmates in the last 50 years? Two? Five? Does it justify in your view executing hundreds of people just in the off chance that once every decade a guard might get killed?
Should be execute all the burglars, petty thieves or fraudsters just in case one of them gets up in a bad mood one morning and kills a guard? Better not risk the life of prison guards eh?
Excellent point! Another good case made for proponents of the death penalty.;)
Convicted Priest Murdered By Another Inmate
Private Prisons - Inmate on Inmate and Guard Violence
Interesting - Know Your Kentucky Murderer/ess
This was just a very quick search of the web. An in-depth search would turn up much more.
The point is that violence in prison is very real, whether murderers are doing the killing or not. You must agree that one doing time for a violent crime is probably much more predisposed to that sort of behavior than a white collar offender.
But then as much as I dislike the idea of the death penalty would it almost be more humane than isolating someone for 10's of years by themselves in very high security?
If capital punishment is a deterrent, shouldn't the murder rates of London be higher than New Yorks?
Also, where as I totally understand the point about what the victims family would want, I would argue that they are too emotionally involved to make a rational decision.
If someone slapped your sister and you saw the person in the street the next day, would you make a rational decision to phone the police knowing that person will end up with no more than a fine? or would you introduce him to Mr Baseball Bat?
This is a similair scenario I faced when I was 20, to this day I thank the Lord, that I didnt actually see the Guy and I was not living in the state of Texas, as I wouldn't be here to post this.
Death penalty often more expensive than life imprisonment due to expense of all the precautionary legal measures........
That and I really dont see the argument about prison gaurds. Surely if one of them is killed by an inmate that is a failure of the prison service, not a reason to kill them.
Executed convicted "criminals" won't kill anyone ever again. Agreed.
State murders will continue unabated.
BTW How many people who have been executed were later found to have been not-guilty? If this has happened even once, is that a price worth paying? If it has happened even once, doesn't that make their death "murder" (i.e. innocent person killed by state decree)?
Convicted criminal kills convicted criminal. You have a problem with that then?
Seems a reasonable solution.