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Lethal injection in the US
BillieTheBot
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I dont know wether any of you heard this news story but it really got to me. Aparently there has been new research on one of the drugs used in the US for the lethal injection and it has been shown to cause serious pain and suffering.
In fact the chemical itself (I'll try and find its name) has been banned for use with animals because its cruel. Aparently it stops you moving totaly, so you look like your just drifting away but it causes a nasty pain response before you die.
Why they feel the need to do it at all is beyond me too.
In fact the chemical itself (I'll try and find its name) has been banned for use with animals because its cruel. Aparently it stops you moving totaly, so you look like your just drifting away but it causes a nasty pain response before you die.
Why they feel the need to do it at all is beyond me too.
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For killing someone without their consent is not human.
But anyway, I have heard reports in the past that supposedly painless lethal injection is nothing of the sort.
But of course, the victim cannot express any pain, nor are there any visible nastiness, such as victims catching fire on the electric chair or people choking in agony in the gas chamber, so those righteous witnesses to the execution can feel better.
For a country that prides itself in being Christian, they have a very funny way of showing it.
And for a country that pretends to be the leader of the "free world", it's funny how they don't seem to have a problem being in the same league as such bastions of democracy and human rights as China or Saudi Arabia.
Unfortunately it is very human, its just not very humane.
Perhaps the gallows would be the best compromise. No mess, not much suffering, fairly quick.
Were in no position to throw stones.
Great Britain has, on a per capita ratio, more people serving out life sentences in our jails than any other country in Western Europe. 3500 of those people serving life are over 65. One guy is serving life on "two violent crimes and you're out" policy- he glassed someone once, then after twenty years of crime-free life he got into a violent fight he didnt start or provoke.
We arent any better than the Americans. Especially when you consider most US states no longer have the death penalty.
Kantian politics against Benthamite politics: something so interesting I had to start a thread about it:)
Speaking out again about issues you know nothing about?
FYI, 38 states currently have the death penalty on their statute books. Last time I checked we only have 50 states, so by my calculation that 38 would be a majority of states.
Now in your favor there are some states that don't execute even when a criminal is convicted and sentenced to death.
Texas is not one of those.
The states of Idaho and Utah still utilize firing squads as the method of execution, although lethal injection can be used as an alternative. In Utah the inmate can select the method of his/her demise.
Oklahoma was the first state to adopted lethal injection as an execution method; however Texas was the first state to carry out an execution using this method.
I had not heard anything regarding lethal injection causing pain. In fact, I thought it was the least painful. I would be interested in a link.
Doesnt seem to work very well on that score
Seems horrific to me- I mean if its wrong for that person to kill, why is it ok for the State to do so
a. how kind :rolleyes:
b. they are called prisoners these days
anyone seen monsters ball?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/07/national/main576918.shtml
And heres another;
http://www.iht.com/articles/112788.html
I’m not concerned with this at all, as the convicted criminal had no regards for their victims’ civil rights, and it is probably a pretty safe assumption that the victim wasn’t humanely shot/beaten/stabbed/raped.
While turning the other cheek is a kind and gentle philosophy, it is usually just an invitation to get the other cheek slapped as well. In a perfect world, we wouldn’t even need to turn the other cheek. Unfortunately, we don’t live in a perfect world.
It saddens me, too. But that’s why we have laws in place, to protect us from those who would do us harm and to serve as a deterrent. What saddens me most is the fact that more concern is shown for the criminals’ rights than those of his/her victim.
Apparently, the convicted criminal didn’t see it this way. As they were convicted of a capital offense, they made that decision for someone else. It only becomes a moral issue to them when it’s their ass on the line.
Would I like to see the Death Penalty done away with? Absolutely. Do I think it is morally wrong to take another human beings life? Yes, definitely. But I have a stronger belief that people should be held accountable for their actions, and that the punishment should suit the crime.
I don’t like the Death Penalty, but I understand the need for it.
I find the idea that its some sort of justice and that it will make the victims feel better horrid, your taking pleasure in some ones death!
Please show me some conclusive evidence that the Death Penalty acts as a deterrant, I know of none.............
There is also the issue of clear up rates, in a lot of places there is a good chance that you will get away with the murder, therefore the punishment is not a deterant, regardless of what it is.
C'mon, you can do better than that surely?
I do believe that the majority of Death penalty sentences are awarded for, as bong suggests, 'crimes of passion' where there is little or no prior planning so I am not sure the question is entirely relevant.
Given also that many people on death row are mentally deficient in some way the question is even more irrelevant..........
It doesn't work, and it is an immoral abomination. There are no possible excuses for such barbarian practices to exist.
And there's why it doesn't help. Yes, I agree, there are some sick people in this world who will commit violent crimes in cold blood, but msot don't. I am not condoning the actions of murders who kill in passion.
You say that, but I'm not convinced. As I said earlier, there are other ways to punish murderers. Take someone's liberty, you have no more right to take their life than they did to take the life of their victim. It's not justice. It's murder.
I'm sorry, that was not a personal attack on you, I appreciate that you don't agree with the death penalty, although I would argue that it is not necessary. British society seems to me to function just as well as, say, Texan society without the death penalty.
How would you feel about the death penalty if your whole family was systematically tortured and then murdered. How is a determination made statistically that the death penalty does not reduce crime? Wahington DC in the US has no death penalty and yet has one of the highest murder rates per capita of any American City. New York State, wherein you will find the City of New York, has the death penalty and the murder rate has dropped precipitously. The death penalty as preventative measure cannot be ascertained by either situation. Cause and effect are more likely determined by other mitigating factors. Thus the statistical statements cannot be addressed with any particular certainty in my book.
The death penalty is a statement by a society that it will not tolerate certain behavior. The majority of the people in this democratic society favor it. Barbaric? That may be a culturally relative outlook.
How would people in the UK vote on this issue?
At the end of the day, it doesn't work as a deterrent. But even if it did...
I would not ask for the death penalty for someone who had murdered my whole family. Nor I think many people here or elsewhere in Europe would. Because it is simply lowering to the level of the murderer himself. Besides, if you are bent on revenge a life without parole sentence is far worse than death.
Not to mention the endless miscarriages of justice or the repulsive act of giving the death sentence to the mentally disabled or to minors.
Like I said earlier, for a country that prides itself in its Christianity they have a funny way of showing it. If God existed do you think he would approve of a governors executing people like it’s going out of business and then going to church on Sundays and pretending to be holier than thou?
I'm with Aladdin on this one, I cannot conceive of a time when I would really wish for the death penalty to be brought back. If I were to lose my whole family, how would it help me to watch both the murderer and his/her family suffer another death? Why should I hurt his family as he hurt me?
There is also the issue of, if you really want to punish someone for what have they have done, is it not better to keep them locked up for 25-30 years for them to think about it? Rather than a quick death?
The majority of this country don't like to think for themselves.
If you take someone's life, they take yours.
I suggest they use hanging, quickest method of execution after beheading. If the criminal's neck isn't snapped, then they choke and suffocate within seconds.
The American methods are inefficient and clumsy, and cause too much pain for all those involved, criminal and witnesses included.
While I agree in part to the death penalty, I disagree that people should be allowed to watch.