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Care to explain me how you would justify the newest attack in Jerusalem?
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Israel must hit back , how can you have peace without victory?
Jac, all murders of innocents are unjustified and should be condemned whether from the hands of militant groups or the Israelis.
Unfortunately there are people on every side who have no interest in the peace process.
Matadore, it's not about victory, it's simply about feeling secure in your own country. With such kind of attacks, very few people do.
And people will never feel safe until the terrorists are exterminated.
which people the Jews, the Arabs or both?
The tit for tat theory really works doesn't it, I mean we can all see the great results so far
Everyone , Jews , Arabs , Americans , Hispanics , Brits , Irish , French , Germans and even Eskimos.
This is a war against terrorism , and we must not be satisfied with anything less than total victory.
Unfortunately, as I had imagined, the latest peace initiative lays in tatters.
No surprise there.
Presumably that principle applies to both sides Mat? It's because of that kind of mentality that people on both sides continue to kill each other; they cannot envisage a peaceful co-existence within a two-state solution fair to both sides.
Thats right , it aint ever going to happen.
So one side must win , and Id prefer it to be the IDF rather than the terrorists.
Then we must also take away the reasons for terrorism, the peace process and negotiations must not be allowed to stop because extremists on both sides wish it to.
If we do they win.
The only thing that bought Saddam down was force.
You miss the point that both sides are terrorists. The IDF regularly shoot children, as the suicide bombers blow others up. Neither side is innocent and neither side will win. It is a lose-lose situation.
As ive said before , there will never be peace in the middle east , short of the IDF carpet bombing the Palestinians , but no sane person would suggest that option.
The only thing that brought him in was force, oh and CIA backing.
But for as long as one side doesn't get anything stronger than a few disapproving words there is little hope of concessions and progress.
Thats rubbish , we live in a moderised society which has respect for human life , why can't they?
The Iraqi revolution and the rise of a true arab democracy should hopefully start the ball of democratic revolution rolling in the middle East.
Eskimos... what did they do?
Its okay to fight against occupation and oppression so long as your a friend of the West it seems. Everyone else is condemned as a criminal.
Maybe if the general public stopped swallowing the lies and spin long enough to pull their heads out of their arses and recognise who the real criminals and terrorists are on a global scale we could redress the issues which have forced many (currently branded by certain outspoken political voices as "terrorists") to strike back against those doing them harm.
Once we called such people freedom fighters. Funny how labels seems to change in the fickle and all too suspect winds of political expedience.
look at irans first ever democracy ...very sucsessful it was as well until ...the democratic government nationalised the oil industry to stop the U.K TAKING ALL THE WEALTH FROM IRANS VAST OIL SUPPLIES ...meaning the iranian people could benefit ...on a huge scale. so with american help we installed our very own dictator. fucking stinks doesn't it. the middle east cannot have peace and live in a 21st century world because we won't let them.
the mighty dollar rules.
Respect for human life Mat??? You are indeed naive, terribly propagandized or blind if you think our governments' actions around the globe as well as the actions of brutal regimes they continue to support demonstrate respect for human life.
The only thing they respect is economic control and ever increasing power. Anyone who tries to defend against our wanton and gluttonous explotiation and consumption of the planet meets with brutal and murderous oppression or destruction.
*wonders if Mat isnt really pnj in yet another disguise*
So September 11 and the Bali bomb were strikes for freedom? Sounds like you have been propagandized by My Bin Laden and friends.
Knowing Washington as I do from over 13 years of international political research and analysis work, I am aware that our military establishment has long been inclined to sacrifice innocent lives to get the policy climate in which the budget expenditures will go from trickle to flood as they have under Bush. Or perhaps you ignored the thread with the article that outlined just how willing the Pentagon has long been to use terrorist techniques when:
1. it serves their political/military purposes
2. it can be plausibly blamed on outside forces so as provide deniability for our leaders.
The Bali bombing, like other acts around the globe is simply a demonstration of the repercussions for the doctrine of overt imperialistic militarism that the US and UK govs have been championing throughout the globe even before 9/11.
You seem to hold the naive notion that everything began with 9/11, hate to burst your bubble but our actions around the globe go back decades and are not forgotten by those who we have victimised for our own constant gain.
Its merely the typical right wing response to ignorantly claim that all current repercussions have somehow sprung out of a vacuum and that we are the poor unwarranted victims of foreign evil. The truth is obviously too bitter for the right wing and its corporate backers to swallow, namely that we are reaping what their greed and lust for global power has sown.
The two have very different styles of writing, and reacting to threads.
On the other hand, you have been noticed to slip in English expression and ways of spelling into your post
Youll also notice that I dont tend to comment on other peoples' spelling or grammatical errors either. As long as its readable, I can't see cause to make an issue of it.
After all, if you started it, I thought it'd be legitimate.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3170115.stm
The roadmap does not seem to be worth the paper it's written on at the moment.
State-sponsored terrorism is still terrorism you fucking half-wit. The ONLY difference between the IDF and the PLO is resources- Israel has F16 jets to blow innocent civilians up with and Palestine does not.
Terrorism cannot be justified in any form, no-one on here says that it can. But just because Israel was created as an artificial state to pacify the Zionists doesnt mean that it is not a terrorist organisation.
Oh, and Jacqueline...how can YOU justify Israel killing innocent children from Apache helicopter gunships? Come on, tell me how its justified- national security does not count, as thats all Palestine are fighting for.
The scary thing is i'm starting to believe that. The Northwood conspiracy is TRULY terrifying. (God, I just realised i'm practically scared of everything... ):nervous:
Galvanise enough public opinion and sooner or later the mechanisms for thorough accountability to the electorate and the means of scrutinising such accountability could be introduced and enforced.
History is replete with instances of lone individuals or small groups which have revolutionised society and political systems. why should such revolutions be so unthinkable today? Harder perhaps given the entrenchment of corporate interests, but with the right public momentum even those interests could be subordinated to the demands of increased transparency.