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Home Office #KnifeFree campaign: what’s your take?

chubbydumplingchubbydumpling DurhamPosts: 460 Moderator
edited August 2019 in Politics & Debate
Here at @The Mix, we’ve been discussing this tweet from the Home Office official twitter account. The tweet is part of an ongoing campaign to tackle knife crime, after the massive surge in knife-related deaths, by sharing stories of those it has impacted. The personal stories are printed on boxes which will be distributed from a number of popular takeaway chicken shops. 

MPs and public figures have branded the move "offensive", calling out the campaign for it's racist overtones. 
Dal Babu, a former chief superintendent with the Metropolitan Police, said: "This initiative seeks to target chicken shops because the assumption is that's where young black people go.

"There's a racial element to it - it stereotypes people, it's patronising and I can understand why people see it as racist."
Check out the full story here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49352330

What do you think about the campaign? What should be done to tackle knife crime?

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  • MikeMike Screen addict 🎮 LondonPosts: 2,923 Community Manager
    edited August 2019
    Why is it so hard for this government to make the connection between heavy budget cuts to public services, youth services and welfare, and rising knife crime?

    The chicken shop thing is ridiculous and badly done for a lot of reasons, and it's the same when Sadiq Khan gets flack for it as the Mayor of London - it's just scapegoating the issue. For me, anything about this is overshadowed by just how easy it is to see the cause of and fix to this problem. Look after communities by funding the services that are designed to support them, and this kind of thing doesn't happen - or happens much less. It's so infuriatingly simple.

    The other viewpoint here is that they know about that connection and are well aware of why knife crime has risen, but it's simply not important enough for the government to tackle when they're busy funneling that money into tax cuts for the wealthy. I don't think there's any argument over whether dying young people need that money more than someone who owns two yachts. This feels like quite a token gesture; a way for the government to look like they're doing something about this issue without actually doing something.

    We have someone in number 10 right now who is the embodiment of privilege and is very politically smart, and has become very good at putting on this relatable, goofy Londoner act. But it's not just Boris; we need a government with better priorities, and one that is run by human beings instead of aliens pretending to be people.

    Interested to hear what you guys think. :) Apologies for going off on a bit of a rant!
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  • Millie2787Millie2787 🐶 💜 Posts: 3,620 Community Veteran
    Why is it so hard for this government to make the connection between heavy budget cuts to public services, youth services and welfare, and rising knife crime?
    @Mike because there too busy up there on there high horses to realise that there taking money away from services that need it the most .

    To put it in perspective the youth centre I work at up until 4 years ago they ran a summer programme for 13+ - Monday to Wednesday based at the centre 10-4 and Friday we was taken on trips and we paid what £20 for the 4 weeks they ran this because we had enough of the funding from the council to do this and yet for the last 4 years our funding gets slowly cut lower and Lower to the point off we can only open 2 and half hours maybe 3 hours , for 2 days a week (Tuesday and Wednesday ).  Whereas we used to be open 4-8 Tuesday and Wednesday and 3-6 on a Thursday and have needed to cut the age range they run the older club from around 21 down to 17.

    And the chicken shop things really ? Because that’s the assumption where black young people go , no offence but would they be making assumptions that you’d find white young people in day the chip shop or the pizza shop.

     people moan that young people are getting in trouble , there terrosing people , taking over spaces for young children yet there the ones that cut the funding to youth services which provide somewhere for them to go so find the logic in that ! 🙄

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  • ShaunieShaunie I’m alive but I’m dead England 🏠Posts: 11,282 An Original Mixlorian
    edited August 2019
    Hey. Sorry I don't have much concentration to read the campaign so for now, I'll just answer this 
    What should be done to tackle knife crime?


    I think the extreme would be to only selling these knifes in shops
    TRIGGER WARNING just incase 🙂(picture of a knife)
    Although I still see that as dangerous apperntly it's harder to hurt someone with it and lot less fatal. And works totally fine as knife should in a kitchen because it's rounded

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  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,165 Skive's The Limit
    Shaunie said:
    Hey. Sorry I don't have much concentration to read the campaign so for now, I'll just answer this 
    What should be done to tackle knife crime?


    I think the extreme would be to only selling these knifes in shops
    TRIGGER WARNING just incase 🙂(picture of a knife)
    Although I still see that as dangerous apperntly it's harder to hurt someone with it and lot less fatal. And works totally fine as knife should in a kitchen because it's rounded

    What next ban screwdrivers?

    The problem is cultural and so the fix must be cultural too. Further investment for social services in poorer areas and increased funding for the police are the two obvious measures that are needed.
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  • Kathleen07Kathleen07 Posts: 1,935 Extreme Poster
    edited August 2019
    [deleted because I'm worried I'm misinformed or something ahah]
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  • chubbydumplingchubbydumpling DurhamPosts: 460 Moderator
    Rant away @Mike haha

    You're absolutely spot on about our underfunded youth services. I have some personal experience both as a recipient and a volunteer with my local community centre - resources are woefully lacking. I have no doubt that the government are well aware of the connection. 
    Butterfly23
  • chubbydumplingchubbydumpling DurhamPosts: 460 Moderator
    Hey @Kathleen07 :)

    Don't worry about getting something wrong! Everyone is welcome to share their views <3
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  • AidanAidan Clever idiot Posts: 2,656 Boards Champion
    edited August 2019
    What should be done to tackle knife crime?

    A mandatory life-long sentence for murder

    Increase in funding for prison services

    Prison services become self-sustaining by giving able-bodied prisoners suitable work (also contributes to rehabilitation and employability of prisoners with release dates)

    Increase supportive services for youth and parents, particularly for the academically under-achieving and/or unemployed

    Intake of police recruits, perhaps with a financial incentive

    More police funding

    More police visibly patrolling streets, particularly in areas with high population density and/or below average income

    Defensive training for use against handheld weapons at schools and youth groups in poorer urban areas 

    Better incentives and protections for people willing to 'grass' on their peers to the police for illegally possessing offensive weapons in public, or for being violent or threatening

    Just a couple of ideas
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  • Kathleen07Kathleen07 Posts: 1,935 Extreme Poster
    edited August 2019
    Thank you @chubbydumpling, I guess I'll share :)

    What should be done to tackle knife crime?
    I think you need to tackle it by the roots. What psychologically makes someone turn violent? They could be incredibly angry, hear voices that tell them to do it, be threatened into doing it... It's all gonna be different really.

    I think something that could help, and that I just think should exist in the world anyway, is to make sure people with violent thoughts get treated with more understanding and that they can get the help they often need. Make sure there's somewhere they can turn to - a helpline, the police or a doctor, etc - who will provide a caring and non-judgmental ear and can take measures to stop them from hurting people if need be (such as a mental hospital. Or prison, except what I think should be what prison is. Rather than as a punishment and depriving you of your basic human rights, I think it should virtually be a building with security, sort of like a care home or something, for dangerous people). Not everyone is going to reach out, but I honestly think a few would and that it could prevent deaths.

    Also, as I said, we should live in a world of love, not hate and revenge and selfishness. So in that world of love, I think that's a better approach.

    I also agree with Shaunie about only selling those sorts of knives in an extreme measure, and Aidan about having more police patrolling areas.
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  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,165 Skive's The Limit
    As somebody who was stabbed multiple times in a fight just over 10 years ago this topic is pretty important to me. 
    Knife crime is a gang culture problem. Not a problem with certain types of knives. Gang culture is appealing to disenfranchised youngsters. To solve that requires investment in young people, especially young people from poorer areas. 

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  • chubbydumplingchubbydumpling DurhamPosts: 460 Moderator
    Great insight everyone! 

    Some good ideas there @Aidan, especially the focus on rehabilitation and incentives. What do you think of the Word 4 Weapons knife surrender bins? 

    I think you're right about getting to the heart of the issue @Kathleen07 - a lot of young people carry knives because they feel threatened or have been threatened into doing it. Like @Skive says, it's all about steering youngsters away from gangs. 
    AidanKathleen07
  • AidanAidan Clever idiot Posts: 2,656 Boards Champion
    What do you think of the Word 4 Weapons knife surrender bins? 

    I think it's a good idea, it can be a way out for people already involved in violent crime but it's not too late for them to turn back yet.

    Because there has to be:
    - a way to prevent people turning to violent crime at all (support for poor and/or under-achieving youth and their families)

    - a way for people to get out of violent crime (knife bins, anonymity and protections)

    - a last resort (prison)
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  • GreenTeaGreenTea ☕🌻☕ MidlandsPosts: 9,118 Supreme Poster
    Last week was the time of the year people can give up knives anonymously at police stations and designated spots. From what I saw a huge amount of knives were thrown away which is positive 

    Another thing in the news recently has been about taking the pointy end of knives away to prevent stabbings and decrease knife crime, however I feel the knifes will still be used to slash someone.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/24/britains-first-stab-proof-kitchen-knife-launced-bid-combat-knife/
    What's your opinion on this?
    I hope this is the right thread to post this. Didn't want to make a new one when a thread about knife crime is already here.

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  • AidanAidan Clever idiot Posts: 2,656 Boards Champion
    Dangerous knives will still be available in other places, I think it's not worth inconveniencing the majority of us who won't stab somebody by giving us duller and less useful kitchen knives.

    And like you said, these knives still have an edge that could be weaponised anyway. If we're gonna make knives that can't harm someone in any way at all we're gonna make knives that aren't even useful.

    In the same way you remove the root of a weed and not just the leaves, we need to remove the cause of violent crime and not just the weapons.
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  • GreenTeaGreenTea ☕🌻☕ MidlandsPosts: 9,118 Supreme Poster
    Ever tried to cut a sweet potato with a dull knife? We all know how that works out 

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  • chubbydumplingchubbydumpling DurhamPosts: 460 Moderator
    It's great to see the discussion is still going, guys @GreenTea @Aidan! Totally agree with you both about this. 
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,165 Skive's The Limit
    These stab-proof knives are a waste of time. There are many tools and implements that can be used as a weapon. You goona ban screwdrivers next?

     It's a gang cultural problem and needs to be addressed as such. 
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    Tomorrow is a mystery
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