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Should the British army be allowed into Northern Ireland, should there be a united Ireland?
I personally think that life now in N.Ireland would be much better than life in a united ireland but saying that it would never exist, too much shooting, no side of the wall can agree on any matter, it's just a matter of time till the whole thing goes up in smoke again, troubles back again but only this time to a more higher lethal degree.
If there was a united ireland everywhere would have to pay for some things that people in N.ireland get now for free, i say just keep it this way but i don't think the British army have the right to roam the streets like they own the place.
I personally think that life now in N.Ireland would be much better than life in a united ireland but saying that it would never exist, too much shooting, no side of the wall can agree on any matter, it's just a matter of time till the whole thing goes up in smoke again, troubles back again but only this time to a more higher lethal degree.
If there was a united ireland everywhere would have to pay for some things that people in N.ireland get now for free, i say just keep it this way but i don't think the British army have the right to roam the streets like they own the place.
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In order to bring harmony to the whole of Ireland and facilitate a unifcation of North with the Republic, just forge an agreement that outlaws all religious practice! Make the Island atheist, deport all catholic and protestant denominational leaders and voila, no more cause but sheer murderous bloodlust to claim for a pretext to violence!
Besides who wouldnt be keen to see Ian Paisley shipped out in a locked crate!
I don't understand why this crap about protestants & catholics, is still going on both are almost the same religion and both christianity.
simply there to keep the peace, that is hardly right it is...do you live in N.Ireland, have you ever lived there before?
The British Army were first sent there to keep the peace. Do you dispute that?
However, it's unlikely to happen for several decades so for the moment I would propose joint sovereignty over Northern Ireland. First off I'd ban the current Northern Ireland parties and have most of Northern Ireland's affairs run by the Northern Ireland assembly which would be made up of voters having the choice between all British parties and all the Irish parties so they could vote for whoever would best reflect their views and importantly take the religion out of politics. Interest rates would be set at a level half way between the Bank of England rate and the ECB rate. Foreign Affairs concerning the province would be dealt with by a compromise between the British and Irish governments and if they couldn't agree the Northern Ireland Assembly would have the casting vote about who would represent them. Also there need to be more measures to integrate the two communities - firstly by making all schools mixed of the two communities and banning religious education.
I don't think Henry VIII invaded Ireland to keep the peace Mono.
Well Britain didn't exist at the time of the Tudors.
I meant the decision of the Wilson governments of the 60's to send troops there.
Maybe Wilson did think he was keeping the peace, however Heath I think certainly had no intentions of keeping the peace and used the army to back the Protestants - he beefed up the numbers of personnel in Northern Ireland increasing tensions and allowed the Bloody Sunday massacre to occur.
Get with the times & get over bloody sunday, that was 30 years ago so there is no point blaming today's army.
By the fact that they are the British army they will always be a problem in Northern Ireland. Even if governments don't use the army as a tool for the Protestants (like they have in the past) by being British they automatically invite hostility between them and the Nationalists and so they shouldn't be there. Also Bloody Sunday casts a very long shadow over Northern Ireland to this day, ask any Nationalist.
But so many deaths...I just don't see the worth. Of course, someone could say that's like allowing one of our states to leave. All I can think is separation of church and state. The killings are a good example of why the Englishmen who founded America had that idea put in the constitution.
The problems in Ireland are all Edward I's fault.
Although the Protestants and Unionists came over to Northern Ireland from Scotland whereas the Catholics and Nationalists are the indogenous population of all of Ireland.
I blame the English establishment with its anti-Catholic attitudes myself - especially it's removal of James II because he was Catholic and his replacement with Protestant William and Mary of Orange.
Yes i have all my life...sent here to keep the peace :rolleyes: yes i do dispute that.
They came here to remove IRA members, if they didn't come here in the first place there wouldn't be as much fighting, walking around the streets acting like they own the place, searching random people, taking people out of their homes in the middle of the night and given no trail or any decent human rights because they were suspected members of the IRA, what a sad thing to do, familys were destroyed, the brits attacked innocent people on the streets who got caught in crossfire with gunfire. America go on about terrorism, N.Ireland has had it in it's fullest degree for 30 years.
*sigh* there would still be problems in N.Ireland with Catholic and Protestant paramilitary groups...is it ever going to change?
when grown men strt barricading and or attacking schools it seems a bit sad and sick and then we get the marching season which is totaly beyond my comprehension! demanding to march through an area where they no it's going to cause trouble ...just becuase someone marched down it generations ago ...very strange.
We gave Hong Kong back to China when a large majority of Hong Kong residents were in favour of remaining a UK dependency but we got out anyway. Tbh if you asked most British mainland people whether they'd rather have Northern Ireland in the UK and remain at risk from Irish terrorism or let it reunite with the Republic and remove the risk of terrorism most people would pick the latter. Also most British people on the mainland are in favour of a united Ireland anyway and if the Protestants wanted to live in the UK so much they could always move onto the mainland just as we gave right of residency to those in Hong Kong who wanted to live in Britain.
This would be the 12th century Henry VIII would it?
The English had already invaded by the time Henry got involved.
Yes but we only conquered Ireland after Henry VIII was determined to conquer Ireland. We'd invaded before but never established our ownership of the territory.
We only had a contractual obligation when Mrs Thatcher decided to lease Hong Kong from the Chinese between 1984-1997.
Are you sure?
The current troubles began after the UK forces were sent in to defend the Catholics from the Black and Tans...