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brits in Camp X-Ray
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what does everyone think about Moazzam Begg and Feroz Abbasi being tried by the U.S and possibly facing the death penalty?
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The fact that charges have not been pressed against most of the detainees added to the dispicable practices of secret evidence and secret military tribunals which deny all due process to the proceedings only further smears the character of the nation and exposes the Bush admin as no better than the regimes they decry.
From the testimonies of those few who have managed to get released the goings on down there are in such flagrant breach of all human rights safeguards that im shocked #10 isnt applying the pressure it has doen so often towards other governments which ave arrested its citizens in the past.
The cases of the nurse in Saudi Arabia and the Au Pair in Massachusetts some years ago spring to mind.
I would imagine that the people in there are traumatised but possibly relieved at the thought that their case may now be dealt with more publicly and so there may be a chance for them to speak out, THEN perhaps the world will realise what a shitty thing camp X ray is!
No doubt that amongst others, the American soldiers who gave their lives in WWII to fight that kind of evil will be turning in their graves in utter disgust.
Anyway Dan, there are some more thoughts by several posters about the issue in this thread.
although I thing the whole human rights thing has gone overboard recently, this is a definate violation.
A lot of this prisioners may be terrorists, but everyone has the right to a fair, unbiased trial, lawyers etc.
Jack Straw has been putting "pressure" on America apparently because the brits + the death penalty but I don't think that will amount to much.
Does anyone know where all the suspects were "arrested"?
Was it in America or were they picked up from all parts of the globe? If so surely one nation can't just go around picking up whoever it choses and throwing them in jail?
Shouldn't this be a job for the UN?
In either case, I'm glad they are where they are. A trial could force the US government to reveal sources etc. which could hinder our on-going fight with Al Qaeda and put Muslims who are helping us at risk.
and if they arent guilty, meh, whats a couple (thousand) deaths gonna matter, after all, america has god on its side
So they can commit whatever heinous act of militancy they wish with impunity, that's why.
To me, they also represent the garbage the UK has let in in the last few decades. They are worthless to anyone except other hateful, Muslim radicals.
you push someone hard enough, and eventually they will push you back. hence 9/11, although im not condoning the attacks.
Wrong. Arabs select the strongest horse. Saudi Arabia is kicking Muslim clerics out of the mosques who preach hatred of America and the West. That action marks the beginning of the end to groups like Al Qaeda.
Perhaps when you grow up and realise that our foreign policy wrongdoings are what put us in this crisis in the first place youll realise just how little of what youve been programmed to believe matches with reality outside your cozy beachfront wonderland.
You know, at least the Al Qaida terrorists don't go about saying "God talked to me and asked me to do it."
Never happen. Belguim was going to try Blair and Bush and the US simply said: try that and we'll pull NATO's headquarters out of Belguim. Belguim backed down that day.
The EU has economies of little or no growth. In fact, France's will probably contract for the second year in a row. The UK should avoid getting more involved with the EU.
The threat of removing NATO was a laugh boy. Bush could no more do that than he can hope to win the war on terror through continual warfare.
And youd best pay attention to our own economy, its in dire straights as well with ever increasing job losses and a spiraling budget deficit (largely being funnelled back into certain admin pockets via the MIC contracts). Your future is being sold away right under your nose while you mouth idotic uneducated nonsense about Europe.
We are not above the law nor above accountability for international crimes committed by our leaders simply because we are Americans, to believe that simply demonstrates how little you truly do care about global peace and security and the rule of law yourself.
Your dad must truly be shamed to call you his son. I pity him!
As if.:rolleyes:
Then you can bet that investigations will ensue and heads will roll.
And all those who defended these scumbags will bear the shame for their unquestioning gullibility while those of us who maintained the outcry for scrutiny will be thoroughly vindicated.
That's happening with the Democrats in Congress and those running for the Presidency in 2004.
Hope I don't give you a headache. I'm sooo not worth it.:crazyeyes
"I'm not here on business baby...I'm here to have some fun."
Bruce Springsteen. (dad's music:rolleyes: ) No. I like him 2.
If the death penalty is contrary to the European Covention on Human Rights (whatever protocol), and if that means that it is unlawful for a signatory to that protocol to extradite anyone to a country where they might face the death penalty (as is clear from the jurisprudence of the ECtHR and the practice of the UK in extraditing alleged murderers to the US) ... then isn't it equally unlawful for the aftermath of a joint US-UK military operation to result in the execution of those captured during it (especially citizens of countries which are signed up to the ECHR).
The UK army was involved in the operation which led to these people being captured (I can't remember/don't know to what extent ... but were any of the people in Camp X-Ray actually captured by British troops and handed over to the custody of the Americans??) Since the UK army is controlled, in the end, by the UK government, surely it's unlawful for the UK army to do anything to violate the right to life in Article 2 (?) of the ECHR and the protocols attached?
Time for another trip to the High Court to try to get some judge somewhere in the world to try to exert some judicial control over the Americans?
Or is my logic flawed somewhere? Do point it out if it is!!
Is it just me, or did pissinthepot just manage to contradict himself in one paragraph?
Nope, not just you.
Is he normally like this? :eek2:
I sure as hell hope not.
'fraid so.