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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by 711fitzy
    hitler = bad

    Whoa! What a revelation! :eek:

    Though it actually could be discussed how bad he was, i.e. Post Hitler.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hitler actually was a good student at school until he moved schools and became unsettled,his father wanted him to go into the same profesion as him but Hitler had other ideas and decided to do differnet small time jobs and become a type of painter.

    Hilter then joined the army and fought and was injured in World War 1, he got a medal for this and he came back to Germany with a taste for politics and started to work for the government and was sent to Bavaria(i think) to check out a party that was causing attention to the German governement,Hitler found this party and found their ideas good but small so he decided to work on this party thus creating the Nazis.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dude, nobody asked for his biography. Which includes some more important points, than what you've marked.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ah yes but still.......


    hitler = bad. disagree if you want but this is my opinion.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Didn't say that I was disagreeing, but can you say that the outcome of Hitler was bad?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    but can you say that the outcome of Hitler was bad?

    Mind clarifying that?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Post war.
    You can say that Europe was in some way or another forced to mature, see some consequences.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Germany perhaps, you can't blame all of Europe for Hitler nor say that the other nations were immature prior to his demise.

    The actual outcomes of Hitler are far more prolific and negative than simply saying Europe grew up.

    For example, one outcome of Hitler, the Holocaust which is one of the blackest periods of human history and which has had perhaps the longest running impact of any event perpetrated by any head of state in the modern era.

    One such impact, the empowerment of the zionist movement and its ultimate forceful and illicit uprooting of an entire people from land they had owned for nearly 1000 years to establish a state on purely political (despite subsequent claims to religious legitimacy) grounds as an act of international guilt resolution.

    If not for Hitler's Germany, we very likely would not be faced with the unresolvable crisis that has plagued two or three successive generations and likely will continue for many more.

    Another outcome, the division of Europe, for some 40 years, into Eastern and Western blocs with a nuclear standoff that shaped and skewed public perception of the "other side" on both sides of the iron curtain and fuelled propaganda machinery on both sides as well.

    All in all the outcome of Hitler is as negative, if not more so, than Hitler's regime itself.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Clandestine
    Germany perhaps, you can't blame all of Europe for Hitler nor say that the other nations were immature prior to his demise.

    The actual outcomes of Hitler are far more prolific and negative than simply saying Europe grew up.

    For example, one outcome of Hitler, the Holocaust which is one of the blackest periods of human history and which has had perhaps the longest running impact of any event perpetrated by any head of state in the modern era.

    One such impact, the empowerment of the zionist movement and its ultimate forceful and illicit uprooting of an entire people from land they had owned for nearly 1000 years to establish a state on purely political (despite subsequent claims to religious legitimacy) grounds as an act of international guilt resolution.

    If not for Hitler's Germany, we very likely would not be faced with the unresolvable crisis that has plagued two or three successive generations and likely will continue for many more.

    Another outcome, the division of Europe, for some 40 years, into Eastern and Western blocs with a nuclear standoff that shaped and skewed public perception of the "other side" on both sides of the iron curtain and fuelled propaganda machinery on both sides as well.

    All in all the outcome of Hitler is as negative, if not more so, than Hitler's regime itself.

    Have been revising chemistry all day. Up until half an hour ago. I clearly disagree with you, but will take that up tomorrow.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Im sure you do disagree. I wouldnt expect anything less. Doesn't change my political views on the matter.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Whatever the comsequences politcally and socially, the war was obviously bad because millions of people died, nothing can bring them back..........
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Toadborg
    Whatever the comsequences politcally and socially, the war was obviously bad because millions of people died, nothing can bring them back..........

    I am the last person you have to convince of that. But in means of technology, and mentality, don't you think that the war brought a growth?

    I'll get fully back to it, after I've passed/failed my chemistry exam :nervous:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes of course the war brought a growth as well as bringing a renewed sense for the need for multilateral and throughly international institutions to ensure we did not revert once again to nationalistically inspired wars of conquest.

    Sadly more than a half century later my own country (which escaped the ravages of that bygone world conflict on our own soil), has forgotten those lessons thanks to the arrogance and corporate greed of our current powermongering administration and has wrongfully dismissed the very institution which has allowed us the relative global peace in which to develop into the sole super power.

    But all that is neither here nor there as far as the original question specifically related to the Nazi regime itself and its actions.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The Jews had just been hunted to near extinction , do you blame them for wanting their own homeland?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Obviously doing a bit of selective reading there Mat, Your point was already contained in my intial comment as to the impetus for the international community giving in to the demands of the zionist movement which had previously been dismissively viewed as a cloak for socialist/communist activity.

    Without the international guilt resolution exercise that followed its inaction to prevent the Holocaust (especially in a largely anti-semitic FDR administration), the zionists would not have gained the political momentum and support they did and the process by which the political state of Israel was birthed might well have never come about. Nor would the European jews who provided the bulk of initial immigration into the new homeland likely have had any cause to uproot themselves.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Although, Hitler/The Nazis did bring some benefits to Germany such as building the Autobahns which improved transport links, and KdF (Kraft durch Freude - Strength through Joy) which improved working conditions for Germans. Not that they can outweigh the atrocity of the Holocaust though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Luce
    Although, Hitler/The Nazis did bring some benefits to Germany such as building the Autobahns which improved transport links, and KdF (Kraft durch Freude - Strength through Joy) which improved working conditions for Germans. Not that they can outweigh the atrocity of the Holocaust though.

    Just to make any kind of confusion clear, I never stated nor meant, that the Holocaust could in any way be justified.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I for one would never in a million years think you would imply such a thing.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No, I don't think anyone who knows you would think that Jacqs!
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