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To start comparing Nobel Prizes is simply idiotic....
thats the point, Muslims are not extremists by nature.....
Nice Kick, which are the 2 biggest wars ever? WW1 and WW2 were both focused on Europe they were started by Europeans.......
Abu 'Ali al-Hasan ibn al-Haytham
(c. 965 - 1038)
Arab scientist, born in present-day Iraq, who is best known for his work in optics. This included detailed measurements of angles of incidence and refraction, and a careful geometrical analysis of the formation of images in spherical and parabolic mirrors. His major work Opticae thesaurus was first published in the West in 1572.
Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi
(c. 780 - c. 850)
Arab mathematician from Khiva, in present-day Uzbekistan. In his Al-jam' w'al-tafriq ib hisab al-hind (Addition and Subtraction in Indian Arithmetic), al-Khwarizmi introduced the system of Indian numerals to the West. He also wrote a treatise on algebra, Hisab al-jabr w'al-muqabala (Calculation by Restoration and Reduction); from al-jabr comes the word 'algebra.' From al-Khwarizmi's name was derived the term 'algorism' (referring originally to the Hindu-Arabic number system, but later to computation in a wider sense), from which comes 'algorithm.' His arithmetic survives only in a mediaeval Latin translation with the title Algorithmi de numero indorum (Calculation with Indian Numbers).
If you deign to visit a museum of maritime history you may well see some old Arabic instruments for navigation. For hundreds of years the Arabs made the finest octants, sextants and the like in the world. Their knowledge of the night sky was second to none.
Yes, Islam may have its extremists, and I'm no fan of them. However, your assertion that Moslems have never done anything of value for the human race is not just ignorant and ill-informed -- it's plain wrong.
[ 23-05-2002: Message edited by: MacKenZie ]
Very True. Stereo-typing people, whether whites, blacks, hispanics, Protestants, Jews or Muslims is one of medias biggest crimes.
To name a few more:
Zakariya Razi known as Rhazas in Latin is the second great name in mediaeval chemical science. Born in 850 A.D. at Rayy, he is known as one of the greatest physicians of all times.
Jabir Ibn Hayyan (Geber) who flourished in Kufa about 776 A.D. is known as the father of modern chemistry.
Er....isnt that clear? That she thinks Muslims havent contributed much to the modern world...IE, the subject of this thread for the last page.
Didn't mention Judaism in this thread. I am just saying, that Islam has not taught me anything practical which I can use.
I can see elements in almost every other religions which are useful.
Many other religions preach charity and humility as well, but they don't start preaching about how to lock a wife in and beating her up if she disobeys her husband!
Please do not fall in the trap of linking Islam to what happens in uneducated uncivilized societies.
The Muslim community of the globe today exceeds one billion. That is an impressive figure. But what to me is equally impressive is that Islam today is the fastest growing religion. This is something we have to take into account. Something is right about Islam. It is attracting a good many people.
P.S. In the U.S. women converts to Islam outnumber male converts 4 to 1. <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Since islam is still following the ol conversion by the sword in Africa it isn't much of a brag to say that you are growing!
In any case, the kindest thing I can say about islam is that it is 'dumbing down' the followers to the point that they have nothing to offer the world today beyond labor at the lowest level.
But your women are safe...and uninteresting. Don't know why you would want four of them but maybe there is an oversupply...just kidding!
Until recently the same thing happenened in all societies, Christian, Jew, Hindu etc..
You don't have to be a Muslim to be a chauvinist and not all Muslim men are chauvinists......
The Muslim concept of having to care for those that request it is one of the best morals I have ever seen from a religion........
Well, got a brochure where it quoted Islams view on women.
Can't quote it, as it was translated into Danish.
But some examples were given. For example 1 man is equal 2 women. A woman needs 4 male witnesses before she can prove something against another man.
So fundementalists, do have some backing up from somewhere, when they treat their women like a squeezed shit.
It doesn't matter. The truth is that there are arbitrary, ridiculous rules in any religion. How many Catholics don't eat meat on Friday? How many Jews keep strictly kosher? Etc.
Muslim societies tend not to be as cosmpolitan as ours. They tend to be less educated in other ways of the world. Jesus, they're Third World countries for the most part! Thus, they follow these rules as strictly as we followed ours hundreds of years ago. I have a feeling its not always going to be like this and that sooner or later the outdated ones won't be followed.
I have some quotations from the Koran, where the point of view on women are given.
As it wouldn't be an accurate translation (first from Arabic to Danish, and then from Danish to English) I will just roughly explain what some of them say:
A man has the responsobility for a woman, as Allah has given the man more power than the woman. Good women take care and obey, not to show what Allah wants to be kept hidden. But if a man fears that his wife is disobeying, then he should warn his wife, letting her lie alone in her bed and hit her. If they go back to obeying, then he shouldn't use forces against them. Cause Allah is the highest (The Koran: Sura 4.34)
If a man needs witnesses he has to have 2 men, if he can't find that, then he has to get 1 man and 2 women (The Koran: Sura 24.13)
When a woman turns in a complaint about rape, she is concidered as a lier if she doesn't bring in 4 male witnesses (The Koran: Sura 4.3)
Never got through the first 2 pages of the Koran myself. i hope I will be able to, sometime soon. I have heard that it should be a beautiful book. I am sure that they have some good points and so, but when seeing such harsh comments, it doesn't really appeal.
But I also know that if a woman claims that her husband isn't keeping his wedding vowels, then she can ask for a divorce, and that after a divorce a man should provide for his ex-wife, and make sure that her living standards are the same or above what she used to with him.
Incorrect.
Your source perhaps follows the misrepresentation of Hollywood movies. <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
In Islamic teachings, men are told that the best among you are the kindest to the women in their families and often reminded not to take advantage of the woman's relative physical weakness since they will eventually have to answer to an even stronger Being.
Jacqui, the Koran in situations accepts the testimony of a woman as equal to that of a man.
On the other hand, women were not allowed to bear witness in early Jewish society - as Rabbis counted women's not being able to bear witness among the nine curses inflicted upon all women??
Women in today's Israel are not allowed to give evidence in Rabbinical courts!!
However, I do not know whether this is a core belief in Juadism or a radical interpretation of the religion.
And I do not wish to follow the mistake of many people when building an image of a religion i.e. not understanding that there can be social and cultural influences on some groups interpretation of a religion. This does not mean the majority follow the same interpretation. <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Good job that Israel is a parliamentary democracy rather than a theocracy then isnt it
Womens rights have only been a major issue in the West for about a century, it will take the reat of the world some time to catch up......
Oh, hell yes:
"An engineering professor is treating her husband, a loan officer, to dinner
for finally giving in to her pleas to shave off the scraggly beard he grew
on vacation. His favorite restaurant is a casual place where they both feel
comfortable in slacks and cotton/polyester-blend golf shirts. But, as always,
she wears the gold and pearl pendant he gave her the day her divorce decree
was final. They're laughing over their menus because they know he always
ends up diving into a giant plate of ribs but she won't be talked into
anything more fattening than shrimp.
"Quiz: How many biblical prohibitions are they violating? Well, wives are
supposed to be 'submissive' to their husbands (I Peter 3:1). And all women
are forbidden to teach men (I Timothy 2:12), wear gold or pearls (I Timothy
2:9) or dress in clothing that 'pertains to a man' (Deuteronomy 22:5).
Shellfish and pork are definitely out (Leviticus 11:7, 10) as are usury
(Deuteronomy 23:19), shaving (Leviticus 19:27) and clothes of more than one
fabric (Leviticus 19:19). And since the Bible rarely recognizes divorce,
they're committing adultery, which carries the rather harsh penalty of
death by stoning (Deuteronomy 22:22)."
-- from 'And Say Hi To Joyce' by Ms. Deb Price.
A parliamentary democracy in which a disproportionate degree of power is wielded by religious and Zionist extremists because they have the power to make or break the coalitions that are required to form a government under the representative system the Israelis use.
Doesnt really matter...Just because the leaders happen to be religious doesnt mean its a theocracy, or anything similar.
I thought this cartoon a bit on point regarding 'religious' issues though is is not so directed:
<img src="http://images.ucomics.com/comics/mb/2002/mb020525.gif" alt="image">
True, but dont forget at that time the Muslim countries were still technologically backward, so they could not possibly start a large scale war anyway. Also since after WW2, most of the major conflicts involved the Muslim countries.
Islam followers do fight against those with other religions - Islamic and Jews, Islamic and Christian, Islamic and Hindu are examples.
Just about every war in the period was tied up with that, face it the entire Islam v everyone else nonsense is only a few months old and you can't show otherwise.......
Like Vietnam, the Falklands, Cuba, Korea, Angola, Zaire, Colombia, Nicaragua <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">