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The Muslim religion
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I have to admit that I dont have much knowledge of the muslim religion but what do you think of it, especially after the september 11th attack?
Do you think the Muslims believe in world peace? I began to suspect that they are there to destroy all those not on the same side with them. Do the muslims think that they are the only good people on earth? Do they think that killing lives is acceptable in order to 'fulfill God's mission'?
Also what do you think of the Muslims' discrimination of females? Women have very little, if any, position in muslim societies. They all have to cover their faces and not being allowed lots of normal activities. They could be beaten if they break the rule. So is Muslim really a good religion? Should the UK let people practise Muslim religion? Bear in mind that the muslims are so anti-western.
Do you think the Muslims believe in world peace? I began to suspect that they are there to destroy all those not on the same side with them. Do the muslims think that they are the only good people on earth? Do they think that killing lives is acceptable in order to 'fulfill God's mission'?
Also what do you think of the Muslims' discrimination of females? Women have very little, if any, position in muslim societies. They all have to cover their faces and not being allowed lots of normal activities. They could be beaten if they break the rule. So is Muslim really a good religion? Should the UK let people practise Muslim religion? Bear in mind that the muslims are so anti-western.
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I think, as with all religions, there are some people who take it too far, and use it as an excuse for hatred of people who have different priorities in life. The Taliban is an example of how Islam is used to control people and to justify violence.
But I must admit, I know very little about the Qu'ran or the religion itself, so I wouldn't like to comment on whether violence and/or hatred are actually part of Islam.
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Well im not gonna go into my opinion of Muslims but I will say this...Take a look at a world map, take a look at the conflict areas...95% of them involve muslims.
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Just for the record, Islam is shit.
Whether I disagree or not, you really shouldn't make uninformed comments. I'm not sure how "restriction" would help. If we disagree with the religion, perhaps we should ban it? But then we should ban Judaism because of the Israeli situation. And Christianity because of the Crusades...
The same crusades that were a belated retaliation against the massive muslim incursions into eastern europe?
The crusades have a bad rap....Its not as simple as Christians = evil.
The point was that we would have to draw the line somewhere. We can't go round banning some religions but not others. I can think of nothing more likely to incite religious violence than an attempt to ban that religion.
Tit-for-tat pettiness never works.
Freedom of religion should have its limit, as of any other kinds of freedom. If a religion teaches people against the norm of society (respecting other people for example), brainwashes them to hate those against them or anything to the extreme it should be banned. If not totally banned it should still be restricted.
OTOH...islam is a curse upon the planet and if you are not with them you deserve nothing less than death.
islam is a cult of the moon god with folowers worshiping a rock (kabba) by walking around it, etc.
They circumcise their women and treat them worse than a junkyard dog while grovelong on the floor facing Mecca several times a day.
The christian books declare; "...beware when they cry islam, islam lest sudden destruction fall upon you..." (islam translates to peace)
islam has nothing whatsoever to offer to the modern world and didn't have much during the dark ages so it is preposterous to tolerate them in our midst if our destruction is all that they seek.
And on point...it is time for all of us to reconsider what was going on in Bosnia and such places...the ancient war is on again, let the CRUSADES begin!
Problem is that there is noone to lead a 'crusade' in today's world...who would it be...? The pope, some faggy priest, Orthodoxy is almost as bad, protestants just protest their neighbors clothing these days...would a jew lead? Who indeed...will lead the ongoing Crusade against islam?
Perhaps Tony Blair! (just kidding...don't stone me)
Islam, like any other religion has it's own interpretations. Just like fundamentalist Christian sects skew and stretch various passages of the Bible to suit their interpretations, so do fundamentalist Muslim sects.
Fundamentalist Muslims ignore the the portions of the Qu'ran that don't fit their views. One example would be the protection of Jews and Christians that all Muslims are supposed to follow because we are "people of the Book" (the Old Testament) just like they are. In fact Christians and Jews are afforded more protection by Islam thatn any other religion. Ie. Buddists, Sikhs, etc are all heathens.
While it is true that "jihad" is a important part of the Qu'ran, the current activities of Muslim radicals in the Middle East and Asia are only supported by the extreme interpretations of certain clerics. The views of the religious center don't support it at all. Jihad is only right when it is against armed opposition, thus the terror bombings of the Islamic "freedom fighters" are not supported except by the extreme.
Wasn't Osama's main point to do with US occupation of Saudi Arabia?
Just a thought.
Most Muslims are people like you and me that go and prey and observe a few festivals they are not dangerous or a "threat to society". Like any other religion they have extremists who in no way represent the beliefs of the mass of Muslims.......
Well, that too. The USA has been (verbally) attacked by Islamic extremists for being amoral, decadent, non-Islamic, Christian, Jewish, you name it. There was a quote of Osama bin Laden calling the strikes on Afghanistan an extension of the Crusades, with the Great Satan (America) at the head of "the Zionist-Crusdaer alliance."
My essential point is that there have been many reasons for hating America. The best one, of course, is simple jealousy -- nothing pisses most humans off more than there being someone else more powerful than them.
The Islamic world has a whole has failed, can anyone name a great Muslim, one who has invented, discovered, created or done anything of any world value.
We live in an era of globalisation. Western culture is powerful, Islamic culture is week, they see there culture being eroded by outside influences and don’t like it.
I feel that all out war between the Islamic world and everyone else is just around the corner, things are building up 9/11, Israel, Chechnya, Kashmir. The problem I have living in the UK is that 1 million Muslims live in the UK and thousands are arriving every day. As shown by the Tipton Taliban and that freak with the bomb in his shoe, the enemy is living amongst us.
Nostrudamas also predicted that Islam would be destroyed with the last Muslim on Earth being killed in 2024.
I don't know too much about Islam but had a few Muslim friends at school who were not suppressed, they do NOT all have to cover their faces, in fact in the UK at least most Muslim girls are encouraged to do well and get a career. And not all Muslims are anti western! Generalisations of a religion lead to bad things.
The Uk can not restrict peoples right to worship, as Nice Kick suggess to restrict the number of Mosques. I do not agree with Muslim schools but then I do not agree with faith schools whatever religion they are for.
Mohammed Ali
to name a few.
Christianity. Crusades. Killing of many innocent people in the name of the religion. Violent acts have been perpetrated by nearly
every religion out there. Don't pick on one without recognizing this.
Most of the knowledge that helped start the Renaissance came from Muslim scholars. Our numeral system came from the Muslims. Don't be so naive as to think that just because you can't think of a Muslim off the top of your head who had an accomplishment that you rate as important, that they don't exist.
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Yeah. You're right. So name one other non-Western culture that doesn't feel threatened by our spreading influences. <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Very well put, kt.
Where are the Muslims anyway? I would have expected to hear from at least one in all of these posts.
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don't display your ignorance, how many names of inventors do you know? Muslims have been responsible for a great many achievements particularly in the medieaval era.....
Do you really think that all Muslims are extremists just waiting to blow themselves up?
Why the fuck are you quoting Nostradamus and talking about Muhammads private life where is the relevance Paul2? <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Crusades, was a long time ago, and an act of defence, worked as well.
Most of the knowledge that helped start the Renaissance came from Muslim scholars – such as? How come they are still waiting for their Renaissance?
Our numeral system came from the Muslims. – Like fuck did it, the modern use of numerals was in use in Europe well before AD650. Came from India via the Greeks.
Muslims had parties in Bradford to celebrate Sept 11th – My Bro was in Bolton on 9/11, he says it was like Pakistan had won the World Cup.
I'm sure there were extreme left-wing types that were happy as well, does that mean that if you vote Labour you are like that? – They were check out the bulletin board on www.urban75.com. Extreme left-wing types do not vote labour.
Do you really think that all Muslims are extremists just waiting to blow themselves up? – No but I believe that many of them hate all things non Islamic and all Muslims believe in Islaminisation, that is the creation of a single worldwide Islamic state.
Why the fuck are you quoting Nostradamus and talking about Muhammad’s private life – To understand something try to understand its creator/inventor.
The Nostradamus quote backs my belief that in the not too distant future we will be at war with the Arabs.
Yeah, then why are you bringing up the Muslim conquests which took place even longer ago?
Not the actual numbers, the base ten scheme.
Trigonometry-From the Greeks and further expounded by Arabs.
Geometry-same
Nearly all translations of the Bible.
Ditto for Greek writings.
Much Western medicine.
If I really had the time I could find plenty.
Not all cultures place the same value on scientific achievement. We do. DOes that necessarily make our lives that much more complete because we have TV or a dishwasher? As repressive as Muslim countries are, they have nearly no crime and tight community bonds, something we could never claim.
Talking about their past scientific achievement is irrelevant. We should ask the question: what have they contributed in the modern world? A better life? Or endless conflicts leaving a total mess and tragedy?
The fact that Muslim countries have little crime is not surprising - if a woman got caught flirting on strangers, she would be executed. Gay men are executed and so are all other 'crimes' which you would think too petty to be deserved to death. The Arabs are one of the most backward thinking people in the world - totally ignorance of human rights, intolerent of other cultures, tight religious routines etc which make you think they are still living in the dark ages.
Endless conflicts?
Look past the last fifty years. The Middle East has been, except for recently, much more peaceful than Europe for Gods sake.
How many wars have been fought in Europe or colonies in the last couple hundred years?
I hate the Muslim extremists, but I'm not dumb enough to believe that all Muslims are like that.
Thinking about their percentage on this planet, that is VERY few...
I am not dissing all muslims, my mum has a lovely friend who is muslim. But the truth is, that even she doesn't agree with Islam, and has no contact with it anymore.