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So how has everyone else taken this...
French Elections
Does anyone believe that our socialist neighbours will actully vote the facist in? Do you think this will have a positive effect on the right-wing vote here?
Edited to add:
Can anyone tell me why the French rioted last night in protest at the outcome of a democratic vote? Surely <STRONG>they</STRONG> were the idiots who voted that way <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
[ 22-04-2002: Message edited by: Man Of Kent ]
French Elections
Does anyone believe that our socialist neighbours will actully vote the facist in? Do you think this will have a positive effect on the right-wing vote here?
Edited to add:
Can anyone tell me why the French rioted last night in protest at the outcome of a democratic vote? Surely <STRONG>they</STRONG> were the idiots who voted that way <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
[ 22-04-2002: Message edited by: Man Of Kent ]
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It is not the French people who voted for him just a minority (as with any democracy) wouldn't you be angry if the BNP got a load of seats in Parliament for example?
I doubt very much that he will get voted in, but it still tells a sad story for France.
But even if that assumption is largely accurate, surely it is just indicative of the apathy that kept 30% of them at home. It's something that affects every civilised country.
Whether Le Pen gets in or not is a matter for the French people to decide in the next round. Perhaps the turnout will be higher next time <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Dark - truly dark..... <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Le Pen wont get any further than this round because the other parties will band together to keep him down.
Le Pen has some nice ideas but unfortunately some of his policies I cant agree with.
I think the most important thing to come out of this is a vision of our own future..Over 50% of the French electorate voted for marginal candidates because they were disenchanted with the main parties. The same thing is happening here..>Give it a few more years and I see the BNP gaining much more support.
Given the choice between a socialist and a fascist I'd probably abstain. Aren't there any moderate parties in France? <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Going by the "details" piece that the quoted site had, I can't say I'm convinced that he's a fascist. Right-wing, certainly. Some elements of his ideology appear to be close to fascistic, but certain key elements appear to be missing. Does anyone have a more complete resume for him? (In English, please, 'cause my French is extremely rusty <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">)
Massive crackdown on crime.
All illegal immigrants to be deported asap
All (legal)immigrants currently in jail to be deported asap.
Full stop to immigration
Im not positive but I think he has the same 'voluntary' <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> repatriation of immigrants..
Ill try and dig summit up with more details.
Just scary how many people didn't vote and then expect it all to turn out fine. It's scary when people abandon their right to get their say out, and expect others to fix it for them.
Fair play to them! I think it's about time we in this country did something about it.
I'm not sure on that fact but it would explain how Le Pen managed to rack up enough votes, or the lack of opposition.
He wont survive the next round though.
I hope that wont happen...
Anyone has a deep understanding of the current social and economic problems in France would not be surprised that he is popular. But if he really succeeds, I think the French would soon regret it.
72% of the electorate cast their votes..More than in this shithole of a country <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Skive, he isn't just against illegal immigrants, he's against legal ones. Should we get rid of them as well?
Already read it!
I only suggesting that some of his ideas on illegal immigrants wouldn't go a miss in this country.
Yeah..They voted in Heider but apparently democracy is only democracy if it goes the way of the powers that be...If someone they dont like gets in, then its a threat to democracy <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
I believe they have sanctions on the country at the moment. Not sure what though.
Besides, the EU didn't overturn the decision. Haider stood down himself. I do not see how you can criticise sanctions on Austria for electing fascists whilst support sanctions on Iraq for being oppressed by a dictator.
Sanctions on Iraq? Please show me where I have EVER supported those.
How?
Slog, the abolition of inheritance tax would create a new elite. When the rich man dies he simply hands this wealth to his children, they do not need to work, a new idle upper class is thus created. Presumably to make up for this adjustment in funds the government will either cut welfare spending or increase taxes that will hit the middle and lower classes the worst. It would be a disaster....
*is devil's advocate*
I don't have a problem with immigrants n general just those few that take the piss out of our benifit system. We need to get tougher and determine which wones are the genuine asylum seekers and who here to take the piss.
The trouble is that now the French left are going to throw away this success by urging their supporters to vote for Chirac just to keep Le Pen out! They must be idiots! <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
What they should do is form an alliance of the extreme left so that a communist president of France is elected!
Interesting idea...
I think id probably prefer the extreme right form an alliance party to get rid of the socialists <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Interesting how you combine the results of different candidates..I believe there were 8 right wing candidates as well.
The socio-political conditions and general apathy are a political crisis, and hence, extremism has been turned to, like before.
Deal with it.
Did you even read the "immigrants" thread?
I know that you lot on the drugs forum rant about "govt propaganda" yet you have completely given in to the right-wing Daily Mail type crap that is the reason why people vote for Le Pen and the BNP.
Do you honestly believe that a man in Africa takes a journey over thousands of miles, leaves his family behind, risks imprisonment and all his savings......
So that he can cheat our benefits system!
I can imagine his devious mind working away now. How stupid we are for letting scum like that in to our country! <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Your hypocritical approach comes to the front again. You have always argued that socialism and communism are completely sepaprate. Until you want some credit.
Isn't it completely to your shame that there are so many separate communist parties. Shurely there is just one message, so why the differences?
<STRONG>
Again showing your total lack of grasp for world politics.
There are only two candidates left.
Socialism and communism are the same! I have never said that they are different! They both mean a system of democratic workers control of all the means of production and production for need not profit. Some parties though define socialism as the means used to create communism defining communism as the finished society they want to create and socialism as the policies they put in place to achieve it.
The different parties on the left all have the same ideas of what communism is it is just that they have different ideas of how to achieve it and what methods to use!
Ah, it would appear that he has found a new communist website that claims they are the same, and therefore he now passionatly believes that they ARE the same.