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Long term military relationship with Iraq.
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The United States is planning a long-term military relationship with the emerging government of Iraq, one that would grant the Pentagon access to military bases and project American influence into the heart of the unsettled region, senior Bush administration officials say.
I'm speechless. Ever think you'd hear me say that?:crazyeyes
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This administration is so steeped in lies and deceit that it looks like a three ring circus of political ineptitude. It would be funny if these bozos werent so trigger happy with the rest of the world.
Clandestine, my dad bought French Merlo for $8 a bottle. (He made me go with him to buy it and he said I'm going to buy French wine, I'm putting the flag today, and I don't like that guy...meaning Bush.)
I said: I didn't say a word. (for once)
Why? Cause Clandestine from thesite.org.uk said so?
Anyways, dad mutes the t.v. when Rumsfield comes on. He can't stand to hear his voice. I said, well, he's nothing to look at either.
The word is, Bush is making his war on terror his thing in the coming election because the economy isn't nearly as good as when Clinton was in. So my dad said, well I guess during the election year the US will be on Security Level Red.
Why do you attempt to dictate where his opinion should come from?
Btw, the reason that the economy during Clinton was so good, didn'y have much to do with Clinton, but more with the government before him...
My dad thinks there's other ways to go about it through the UN. Like create a Palestinian state and ensure Israel's safety but through the UN not military might.
it must be a humiliating experience. there must be a growing realisation, along with anger and resentment at being had by these crooks.
the house of cards is collapsing as will the plans for iraq and the middle east in general, which will result in huge bloodshed and chaos. some very exciting and frightening history is being written. it could include the american people demanding that the bush administration are jailed. far fetched? we are living in very far fetched times. one thing is certain in my eyes. that is, that as the truth dawns on more and more americans and the anger of these people rises, the downfall of the last super power is unfolding.
europe along with the un will pick up the peices. bush will have stripped america of any international respect or influence. the us will experience massive social upheaval.
go on yanks, get buying french and german produce!
Take a look at these polls of Americans:
ABC News/Washington Post Poll - 4/16/03 74% approval.
Gallup Poll and CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll - 4/14-16/03 71% approval.
CBS News/New York Times Poll - 4/11-13/03 73% approval.
This is Bushes approval rating as President in general.
Heres a link for those who dont believe me :
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
I dunno where you got all that about America crumbling from the inside , but right now , it one of the most stable countries in the world. Its army is unbeatable , the President still has high approval ratings , and the American economy has never been larger.
Sure , it may be slowing down a touch , but things will pick up soon.
Perhaps you need waking up from this dream world you are in , America has never been stronger , America is not going to suddenly collapse in on itself because a war went very well.
It is Germany who is entering a recession.
I think after World War 2 , America established military bases in Japan and Germany. Those countries have the second and third largest economies in the world respectively. In Germany in particular these bases were one of many reasons why the USSR didnt charge across the border.
America is not going to abandon Iraq , and this commitment proves it.
And you are hoping it picks up soon, which contradicts most economists viewpoints.
Your juxtaposition of the facts that japan and germany had military bases in them and that they are 2nd and 3rd largest economies tries to suggest it is the us influence that did this. the bases may have been needed at the time but there is NO NEED FOR BASES IN IRAQ. the only meaning for bases in iraq is in order to exert a strong military prescence in the ME, and to make sure noone makes any trouble, for example raising oil prices too high.
Ity will not abandon iraq - noone said this. it can't afford to, it needs to be able to exert its influence just in case anyone has any odd ideas, like not toeing the US line...
Ask him how exactly the UN is going to do that.
Aladdin, your continued inability to understand the realities of military conflict are astounding.
The Russian Generals have figured it out. I wonder when you will.
Aladdin. That's why we pulled out of the UN regarding this war. The UN and deluded Europe hold us back and prevent us from winning. The UN prevented taking out Saddam last time and had no intention of making him leave while making him comply.
And France can take all of the radical Muslim, death cult garbage the Mid East sewer wants to spew out. They bring nothing to countries. Their religion is primative...being the only one that offers up human sacrifices.
The US will NEVER sit back and wait for some death cult, perverted Muslim to sacrifice him or herself on our soil again. That take on the Muslim religion is going to change...and we're going to do it.
France as a country has been decimated by war in the last century and as a society probabley knows more about war then America. You forget that a lot of the first and second world war was fought on French soil and that France and Europe as a whole know that war isnt pretty.
Badly?
I read the League of Arab states made some statement wants America out. Screw them. It's not their call. If they don't like it... tough. If they threaten us....nail them.
The bases in Iraq are what we need to defend ourselves, and create a truly democratic option regarding Muslim governments. And if it wasn't for their fostering a screwed up, primative version of the Muslim religion...we wouldn't be there.
Everything about the aftermath is just more evidence of empire, not democracy nor liberation. We simply overthrew Saddam and set ourselves up in his stead.
Just be ready for the backlash because your cozy little world might be thrown into chaos sooner than you think by subscribing to such imperialistic sentiments.
Yep, youre another poster child for the effectiveness of Bush's propaganda machine. Too bad the Arab street probably has a much broader view of what is going on in the world than you do.
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Obviously youre no better. So they must be right to hate you too
Bases in Iraq will help Saudi Arabia anyway. And they have major investments in the US and give us oil for a dollar a gallon less than Europe and the rest of the world.
Neither are they obviously, only the target of the comment is reversed.
Just as there are plenty of good educated Americans who don't want some corrupt self serving cronies in Washington perverting and destroying over half a century of firm alliances and respect for diplomacy and multilateral processes. You aren't one of them obviously.
Indeed, it will take the focus of the Saudi population off the brutal repression and tortures committed routinely by the Saudi regime on their own people.
Which obviously justifies their brutal repression, torture and murder in the eyes of the woefully deceived and propagandised American public. You are living proof of how effective the spin can be.
Power without any notion of responsibility.