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and what drug are you on? Not harmful? Things added to it - toolbox, heroin in its PUREST form can kill you faster than the watered down stuff. Please please please dont continue this line of ignorance until youve been to a rehab center and watched these pieces of shit slowly die off!
Yes canabis has its harmful effects but they are NOTHING compared to the effects of heroin. Very similar to smoking an unfiltered cig - only with 5x more pollutants.
Surely you realise you are talking bollocks?
It's not as harmful as you make out - highly addictive perhaps - and can be used for years without serious damage. I thought you were a medical man? Of course you can overdose on heroin, but you can overdose on paracetamol can't you? They're only nothing because of the crap in heroin. Opiates are much safer than cannabis.
Anyway, back to the state of society...
We've never had it so good
Discuss.
You misunderstood. Heroin in its purest form can kill you, like anything can if you take TOO MUCH of it. However, it only kills people who overdose on it. It doesn't kill the people who only use small amounts.
People die because they misjudge the amount of harmful additives in the drug itself.
However, scientific tests have shown that the long term effects of taking heroin in small amounts are no worse than eating a steak every 2 days. Or, negligible.
A capitalist system provides us with material wealth but breaks down a lot of social and moral structures, it is system without morals, greed is good for the capitalist...........
Judging by your posts to date I would guess that you have plenty of the latter. Judging by your posts on this thread you have plenty of the other two as well.
When people ask what is wrong with society, I can point to the drug dealers and petty criminals in the same way that you do, I'm not stupid enough to believe that these people aren't a stain on our society or that they shouldn't be dealt with in accordance with the law.
But what I can also point to is people like you. Society isn't just about you, its about the people around you. Society helps the weak and the sick, the old and the infirm. It doesn't look to give them money alone but to help them to look after themselves. If you cast off everyone you personally believe to be the weakest then eventually you will be alone.
The reason I suggest that you wouldn't stop at the people you current perceive as 'pikeys' or the dealers is because crime doesn't stop there. There are other criminals. Whilst you may tolerate their actions now, once you had removed the scum (as defined at present), you will need to replace them with another figure of hatred. People like you need a scapegoat on which to pin all the ills of the world.
Like it or not, people make mistakes in their lives. Society's job is to help other get over their mistakes and build on their successes.
I personally don't think that we have it so bad now, just that our perceptions have changed over the years and that we expect more humanity now. There were murders, muggings and thefts when we used to deport people to Oz and when we held the death penalty. Difference is that we didn't have a national media ramming these events down our throats at every opportunity.
After September 11th people were scared to fly. Was this because it had become more dangerous, or was it because their perception of the danger had changed. Surely it became safer, with the added security...
i agree, society is like totally beginning to suck.
Kinda like a bullet in the brain is just a stronger version of an index finger to the forehead?
You got that one 100%.
Is of little use to attempt to speak intelligently to someone in a state of denial, who is rationalizing his own degenerate behavior.
Pearls before swine... <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
I got the piece of information from my university lecturer of criminal justice. I am not a degenerate, I do not use drugs. However I have an OPEN mind. I am able to absorb and use information that I feel to be unbiased. I am able to form an unbiased opinion on subjects such as drugs.
Something, Thanatos that you have consistently shown you are unable to do.
I've asked several people what they're solutions to the problems discussed would be. So far, most people (no, not everyone) have said what their solutions wouldn't be, but that's about it.
It seems radical, but legalising drugs, then TAXING them, may put people off?
Seriously, capital punishment, as discussed in previous topics doesn't deter crime. it just encourages the criminals to be a bit more devious.
An ideal solution to the drugs problem however is to make it un-profitable to sell drugs. At the moment it is very difficult for the courts to seize assets that have been aquired during the course of selling drugs.
Presently the courts have to prove that the money has come from drug dealing and not through legitimate means. A better idea would be to make it compulsory for the drug dealer to prove his money didn't come from drug dealing, through bank statements, receipts, wage slips e.t.c.
Anything remotely connected to the drug dealing, if it is the dealer's property should be seized. I say the dealer's property, as a few years ago in the USA a federal prosecutor decreed that any article remotely connected with drugs should be seized, regardless of who owned it.
A well known example is that of a 20 ish year old male, who was selling drugs from his grandparen'ts house. His grandparents were unaware of this, but had their house taken away.
Maybe making users of illegal drugs, and the dealers pay more taxes would discourage them also?
Its not baseless at all. Its based on most of your posts. You seem to think that if you get rid of dealers and petty criminal then all societies ill will we gone. This is know as scapegoating.
And what I actually said, which you would know if you read my posts, was that once you had rid the earth of these people you would need new scapegoats.
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You are assuming that everyone agrees that society is in a bad way. Have you considered that it may be your perceptions which are off?
As I said in my last post (which again you seem to have overlooked) is that I don't believe that we HAVE got it so bad.
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Must have missed the trial where the police chief and senior offices were prosecuted for child abuse.
Can you point me to ANYTHING which backs this up?
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No, I think that we need protecting from people who will act before thinking. People who think that self defence means that you have to kill someone else.
As for the unarmed person, you are talking to the wrong guy. I <STRONG>have</STRONG> been in the position with a man holding a gun in my face, and I was unarmed. Yet he was the one who ended up on the floor. Not me. And I didn't kill him either. Sorry about that <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
In <STRONG>your</STRONG> version of the real wolrd muggers seem to be on every street corner. In mine, the majority of the population won't even be faced with the mugging scenario.
Like I said it comes down to perception. Someone living in London is likely to have more exposure to crime than someone living in Cumbria. What you need to learn is that there is more going on in the world that just what happens in your home town. But then that takes us back to your ignorance...
He got away with £10
a better solution, cut all funding to rehab yeah thats right all of it - make drug use as illegal as murder and because theyre no longer functional members of society and never will be - terminate with extreme prejudice.
Im sick of all of them. Im sick of them contributing and or being wholly responsible for the violent crime in our cities. There is nothing redeeming or redeemable about an addict, therefore the best defense is to kill all of them.
Additionally IM sick of liberals who instead of seeing it as a weakness, they say its the end result of poverty. Fuck that - I grew up poor, put myself through college and never once did I get involved with crime as a means of employment or worse, a means to feed a pathetic addiction.
The cure: MASS EXTERMINATION. This would include all walks of addict - rich poor young, old, hollywood star and prominent politician - youre an addict, youre a waste of space - die!
Eg, a millionaire is a heroin addict, he can pay for his own habit without harming anyone else...so he can be let off the extermination?
apathy, I am glad you seem to have found the solution to some of society's wrongs. But surely if the ideas were that great they would already be implemented?
Nothing will ever be perfect, there are no wonderful answers which everyone will agree with.
Negative. a millionare addict is as equally worthless as the street junkie with a spike in his arm. Exterminate.
No just addicts. they suck - kill them so they stop being a parasite to society. I have absolutely NO sympathy for them.
Some people say there is such thing as an addictive personaloty, these people are vulnerable and liable to become addicted to whatever is available-if it's alcohol, they become an alcoholic. If a drug pusher encourages a person like this to take hard drugs then they will become an addict.
This person is a victim and needs help, not to be killed for their weakness..
What about a kid that grew up being abused, left home to live on the streets and the only comfort they can find is shooting up, do they deserve to die because of that????
What about people addicted to smoking? Kill them too?
People addicted to alcohol...better fire up ol' sparky or the gas chamber? Or is a hangman's noose a cheaper more effective way of dealing with them?
The people who rob from others to fund addictions should be punished severely. But not because they are addicted. To execute people because they get addicted to legal/illegal substances is idiocy.
typical liberal crap - create a victim out of pondscum. abused? get over it - thats no reason to burden society with your crap.
the rich - no I dont care - youre still a waste and to allow one to live while others are killed for their stupidity would be an inequality.
If you want to call my example total liberal crap that is your call but I could just as easily compare you to Hitler.
Maybe you would feel differently if someone you knew found themselves in that situation.
hey if hitler was focusing his energy soley on addicts and exterminated all of them then maybe history'd have a favorable view of him. Note Im not saying his ethnic extemination was good but the idea of it being all addicts makes me friggin' giddy!
Would I feel differently? no not really as I am dealing with them on a regular basis in my capacity as a street EMT in Boston. Additionally, I lost a girlfriend to that crap - NO Sympathy, just hate.
Ah. He got the point, perhaps?
And I gained my perspective from 30 years of dealing with addicts, and the consequences of their degenerate behavior...
As above, why the bloody hell would I still have "an opened mind" after three decades of dealing with the bullshit? You parade about the same bullshit as the addicts themselves, wanting to excuse themselves. They live in denial, and you accept that as reality?
To retain "an open mind" would make me a fool the equal of YOU!
THIS attitude is the basis of decline of civilization, not just "society". The touchie/feelie liberalistic "they're all just victims, and we need to help them!" bleating attitude. NO ONE is accountable nor responsible for their actions. ALWAYS someone else's fault.
May Dr Spock rot in his special little hell...
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What we were trying to say was it isn't ALWAYS that persons fault. There are always circumstances where someone is unable to be in control.
I'd have thought 30 years of dealing with addicts would have taught you that?
I am aware that we are responsible for our actions, doesn't mean we should be denied assistance because of it?
I think that is what KT was getting at, everyone makes mistakes, regardless of how perfect they think they are. Everyone is entitled to help in recovering from those mistakes.
Of course, accepting help may be construed as the actions of a "bleating sheep" who is unable to help themselves.
My point is, it's no skin off my nose if somebody admits defeat and seeks help.