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Anyway, with regards finances: you're right, I haven't done any economic analysis of the royal accounts, but it is universally agreed that they are cost-effective.
Baldy's got a link to the report, if you really don't believe me...
By the way did you see the Mirror yesterday, apparently some of the monarchs billion pounds (imagine what use that could be for the economy.....) was earned from the money left by WW1 soldiers that had no will <IMG SRC="eek.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
It would also appear that the govts efforts to treat them like normal people has gone out of the window seeing as the Queen Mums will has no inheritance tax, what justifies that precisely?
You seem to have little or no national pride, you seem to dislike everything which makes us unique.
I think you'd like a bog standard, run of the mill country <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
What we said last time
That's not a fair critcism. Just because he doesn't support the Monarchy doesn't mean that he doesn't have pride in his country (and that's without reminding you that our next king is half Greek FFS). It just means that he doesn't support a system which promotes divinity over the wishes of 'the people'.
Personally, I think that the monarchy is an anacronism, but until someone can find something better I support them.
I love this country because I was born here, it is obviously better then many other countries because of our economic situation but I really don't think that there is anything "unique" about our country in any meaningful way....
I didn't start this thread and you responded to it before me Kentish so I don't know what your on about <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
If you don't want to sing it, don't <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">.
But even if you don't believe in God, or think that we should have a queen, it is still our national anthem.
What "rules of society" are these then? Yes the queen does do charity work but her constitutional role is (in my opinion) the reason for her existence, and the reason we pay her. She has weekly meetings with her Prime Minister, she has to give royal asssent to every new law and she takes part in the state opening of parliment. Lets not forget she is also head of the armed forces.
You can argue about money all you like, but in the end, the queen is there for a reason: to be head of state. As such she has a great deal of responsibility. You could argue that an elected head of state would be in some way better, but I don't believe it would. The queen is not tied to any political party or views. This means she provides stability to the country and ensures that all elected MPs and ministers are accountable. Don't forget the last time we went without a monarch we ended up with a crackpot puritan dictator running the country. Yes I realise Charles I wasn't a good king, either, but with today's system it couldn't happen. There are three parts to the government, the house of commons, the house of lords and the monarch. They are all accountable to each other and this means no-one can get away with extreme policies. I think this is a very good system and I don't feel the need to change it.
The reason the Queen is the Queen is due to the fact that she was born in that family. We are suppose to live in a country which is democratic and here we are having a woman who's only qualification for the job is that she was born in the right family. It is i think wrong to have someone as our head of state who is not elected by the public.
I say we have revolution right now and that u should elect me as the president. Where i would syphon of loads of money into a swiss bank account
Also why were so many people grieving at the death of the Queen Mother? What did she ever do for them? Did she help them? Did she provide them with money? Or did they just simply see her wave on TV?
Also I hate the way those "loyalist" bastards in Northen Ireland follow them, pretending to want to be part of Britain when the people living here don't even follow her anymore.
F.T.Q.!!!!!
World war 2 <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
That'll be another alcohol fuelled post then... <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
(however i've just been told that they were scrapped earlier this year... ah well) w0rd. However, we could just ditch the monarchy, and not have a president either. How about having our PM as our leader? Oh, we don't like him either.... w0rd... except I couldn't have expressed it so eloquently. Living in Scotland all my life, i have never felt that the queen is my monarch. *shrugs* However I'm one of those Scottish nationalists...... haha!!! with no power whatsoever!!! They just mirror laws made in London! *giggles*
Personally, I feel that the Royal family, do the job to the best of their abilities. They have to. BUT... I don't like the idea of a monarchy. it's not a fair system.
Let us not 'diss' the Queen Mother. Firstly it's rude to speak ill of the dead. Secondly, the queen mother did not want to be queen. She didn't want to be married to a monarch, and it was only through Edward's abdication that her husband became King. Considering that she did not expect to be monarch, and probably would not have married George if she had known he would be King, I think she did pretty damn well.
(edited because of hopeless quoting)
[ 20-05-2002: Message edited by: lil_kazzy ]
I thought we were talking about the Queen? <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Also, are we not allowed to express an opinion of someone if they are dead, because the opinion is bad? Seems pretty opressive to me... <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
I will comment on whoever I want...... <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
We were originally talking about the Queen, but you brought up the issue of the Queen Mother's death, and so many people being at her funeral.
Why does this justify having palaces, servants and millions of squid to libe one of the most luxurious lifestyles imaginable?
I was gonna say that. Just because she does a lot of stuff, doesn't mean that she deserves 7.9 million a year.
And daft haircuts. At least Her Majesty has a decent hairdresser.
Get some perspective.
The Queen is a stage below capitalism, Beckham for example had to work to get to where he is the Queen just gets it for being born into the right family and that is wrong.......
That was my thought. Beckham and the Queen are in slightly different leagues. (dodgiest pun ever). Beckham, theoretically, worked to get where he is, and he gets his money from the people who want to watch him (Ticket sales supporting the club...). The Queen gets her money from everyone, whether they like it or not.
The ghost of William Wallace arises?
Who woulda thunk it?
Really I am a Scots Nationalist. I'm a member of the SNP and YSI (Young Scots for Independance).
OO-RAH!!!
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lol, not entirely sure how to respond to that.... heh.