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Sounds good to me <IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0">
Unfortunately you wouldnt be able to do it now, thanks to that nice chap Mr William Jefferson Clinton.
And by level playing field you'd most nearly mean establishing standards or here in the US - Quotas for each 'unified' country under the banner. Dont like it - it smacks of Affirmative Action on a much larger scale - All I want to see is people being rewarded for their work not being afforded more opportunity because of their certain "poverty value" as a nation.
Hey I agree it sucks that they work hard for no money - shouldnt that however be a responsibility demanded of their individual governments and not one of a unified system?
I realize youre suggesting a unified system of government would solve this and maybe it would, but not without discriminating against those who are percieved as having less "poverty value" (ie those from well developed countries.
I have often wondered myself about movie portrayals of the world in the future, for instance will their eventually be one large city covering most of the world?
i dont think so for many many years.
You have never done a day of real work in your life, you sit in your recliner, drinking beer and watching that joke of a game you call football.
Your opposed to the idea of world government because you don't like the idea of other people having an easy life, you want to sit back and let some African child make your trainers so you don't have to.
You, and all of your nation are selfish bastards, you don't work, you do sfa all day everyday.
I never said China was a wonderous place, but you might care to notice that its GNP and GDP are slowly catching up with Japans, and after that it will catch up with yours. One day you will get what your asking for, someone to teach you that you aren't as invincible as yo....oh wait someone already has. You have no place to brag to us Thanatos, if it wasn't for us your retalitory actions against Afghanistan would have been opposed by every nation in the world. You might be able to fend off 1, 2 or even 3. But how many does that leave?
The islamics are after the very thing you describe...buy have shown no evidence that it would make things better.
Hitler was only interested in greater Deutchland...don't think he had much interest in ruling the 'whole' world...trade with them maybe.
Here it is as simply as I see it: The BIG problem with all this worldwide association is the deliberate and concious effort by many to 'amalgamate' everyone into the same 'folk' without regard to who and what they are or where they came from. It appears that the 'multiculturalist' are not so much interested in sharing and enyoying cultures back and forth as they are in absorbtion of everyone into a murkey society with no identity of its own.
Just my opinion...as I have seen it for quite some time...but is this forbidden talk...verging on a 'crime' or can we really discuss these things without harm coming to us? Or can we just enjoy our differences without an imposed viewpoint and value judgment manufactured for control of the 'masses?'
Diesel
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They can impose certain legislations, things like human rights an weights and measures but they don't usually mess around with local and national laws.
That is the sort of thing I am thinking about but on a wider scale. Shared currecny, shared language and pooled resources. The government itself wouldn't deal itself with local affairs, but with matters that affect everyone. Like what to do about space exploration, researching new technologies. That sort of thing. It isn't communism on a global scale, but it isn't rampant capitalism either.
...and THAT from someone who boasts of being a besotted teenie-bopper, STILL in school... ROTFLMFAO! Cranial suppository still afflicting you? Mommie and daddie still paying your way? <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0"> Oh... "experienced man of the world"... <IMG alt="image" SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
YOU have no position from which to possess a rational perspective of whom I am, nor where I have been or what I have done with my life. Crawl back into your "pub" and continue to besot yourself...
My Nikes are NOT made in Africa... but then reality is an elusive place for a mental midget with his head up his ass...
Thus sayeth the school child? Pathetic attempt. Still delusional...
Sympathy for the Taliban and the jihad crew?
C'mon... come get some. Your edification awaits. <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
Let's institue that one world government. The US can rule the world, and we turn all you little loud mouth punks into slaves. You don't fulfill the required quota which we set for you, we "retire" your useless ass and take you off of the welfare rolls. One less mouth to feed... The best current example of your delusionary government is China, and they have ALREADY set the example as to how to deal with mouthy students with an arrogant and overdeveloped sense of worth: remember that public square. Starts with the letter "T"... <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
See how easy it can get? <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
Ah, my Brother in Prague... the difficulty in the attempt to engage in a "rational" discussion with a child is that the adults deal in reality, and the children in wetdream fantasies. <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0"> It CAN work; he got the idea from Star Trek... <IMG alt="image" SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
[ 17-01-2002: Message edited by: Thanatos...AGAIN ]
Come on Thanatos, none of that was constructive argument. That was personal abuse. Grow up.
... and THIS was "constructive argument":
Simply attempting to lower myself to the demonstrated level of comprehension. You yank the leash on the child, and we can attempt a level on a "higher plain"... <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
"All food and resources are redistributed according to who needs them, not who WANTS them."
Just look at that statement and think about that for a second. Not who wants them, but who needs them. You have no need for anything do you? That's easy for you to say when you are sitting around in a recliner just as much as I or Thanatos is doing and there are starving people in the world. Do you really think that a one world government would see you in this position and think you need anymore than you already have? Hell no. There go your freedoms out the freakin window, no more fat-butted Americans or pish-posh Brits that are able to get their way. Is that what you want? Or is that what you need? As far as I'm concerned, I'm quite content with how I am able to run my life right now. I am able to buy the food and goods I THINK I NEED, not someone else telling me differently.
Posted by Whowhere:
"Thanatos, you mention "working your ass off" but forget to mention the billions of people worldwide who do a LOT more work than you but still have nothing to show for it.
You have never done a day of real work in your life, you sit in your recliner, drinking beer and watching that joke of a game you call football.
Your opposed to the idea of world government because you don't like the idea of other people having an easy life, you want to sit back and let some African child make your trainers so you don't have to.
You, and all of your nation are selfish bastards, you don't work, you do sfa all day everyday."
Don't think that we don't work for what we have. You're freakin nuts if you think that everyone here in America is born with everything handed to them on a silver platter...I'm sorry, mine was a paper plate and even then, I had to buy it. Can we help it if the poverty-stricken countries in the world is due to their own governmental leaders not knowing how to run a decent economy or its citizens unwilling to embrace certain technology to help boost their economy? Don't be taken their problems out on us. If NATO and the United Nations and politicians like Clinton would be more worried about that then making peace in the world, when war can actually boost the world economy, maybe the world would be a better off place to live. <IMG alt="image" SRC="eek.gif" border="0">
Did this bit just skip everybody by?
Oh and Thanatos. I do work. I have worked since I was 16 doing various jobs from shop work to bar work. I also goto university, and anytime I have spare I have to earn money to pay my fees. If you didn't know, one thing they teach you at college and university is to question everything, and to think of alternatives. Something that you can't ever do, you have such blinding faith in your own government and so set in your ways you might as well be reading from the Koran.
You talk about Islam talking over the world, but isn't that something the Americans have wanted to do since America's birth? Now you are doing it economically, you refuse to admit that you are no better than the muslim fundamentalists. Why is your way any different? You preach freedom and equality, but at the same time you try to enforce your beliefs and examples on everyone you come across. Take communism, you didn't abolish that for the sake of the people, you did it because it was a concept that scared you.
[ 17-01-2002: Message edited by: Whowhere ]
But if what you're suggesting is something more along the lines of the EU overseeing governments rather than one world government, I think that you may have a point.
There are however still some problems with it. If you imagine an organization similar to the EU but include all the countries in the world- would you still give each country the same amount of voting power? Would the more powerful and populous countries have more of a say?
I think that until there is more equality in the world that this is still an impossible dream. As for one world currency? I'm still interested in seeing how the Euro will do when they bring the next wave of countries in (can't remember when that's scheduled for). The stronger countries will have to carry the weak even with the Euro and it will be interesting to know how the exchange rate on it will maintain.
I do admire your idealism though WhoWhere.
:: Looks fearfully up at the stars for real external enemies. :: <IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0">
Of course there would be lots of problems with this, and at the moment it is only an idea.
It would be impossible for all countries to have an equal say, for example the Vatican city would not have as much say as Britain in matters. However some matters affecting the world as a whole would probably have an equal vote, while other matters affecting maybe a single nation would not have an equal vote. There are lots of things to consider, and it would take a lot of years to implement, however there is no real reason why a system like the EU or the USA but on a global scale can't work. Each state in America is like a small country anyway, so why not apply this logic to the world? Oh, Thanatos, this doesn't mean the USA would be in charge! Just a model.
Yadda, yadda, yadda...
You attribute ALOT to me, and neither the words nor posts came from me.
Would it be asking too much of you, child, to get your facts straight BEFORE you attribute every damned thing in the world to me?
I PERSONALLY don't give a damn how you run your life... until it affects me. And most Americans have NO desire to run the world... it would just mean we would have more louts like you to support from a global welfare system that we INDIVIDUALLY contribute too damned much money toward already.
You got a SPECIFIC PROBLEM with something I post, ADDRESS THAT, but ASSUMING everything that offends your little sensitivities comes from me - PERSONALLY - is a pedantic element of your boorish behavior.
You ASSUME alot...
Watching the news today and the effects of a 'world domination' theory of government as practiced in Afganistan and Somalia...I only see waste and destruction ruled over by warloard tribalism...life became very cheap indeed.
Diesel
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BTW all this is for about $1000 a month. And it's a little harder than your job at the fast food place, or does mommie and daddie still support you?
In case you didn't notice you are in the military. No normal person does what you do for fun.
And no I don't work in a fast food joint, I never have.
A few months ago I worked in a warehouse, 8:30 AM-6PM carrying HI-FIs, widescreen televsions, computers, VCR's anything you can imagine an electrical shop selling. I now work in a bar and goto university. So yes I have done "proper" work thankyou very much. And as for being proud that you do it all for $1000 a month, which is the same as £650 in real money. You'll find that the sum you are earning is a pittance. A vagrant couldn't be proud of that. And you think your country loves you??? You really are deranged if you call $1000 a month love <IMG alt="image" SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
As for your father, Thanatos you say that you wouldn't want to rule the world because you'd have to support "louts" who can't work.
So that applies to Canada, Europe, Russia, Australia, Japan, South Africa, China, Saudi Arabia and any other developed country you can think of?
You'll find that a lot of your tax dollars go to supporting the good for nothing "louts" that live in your own country, and under my scheme the countries would deal with all that themselves. Or were you not reading?
[ 17-01-2002: Message edited by: Whowhere ]
US military has never been as highly paid as the private sector...we are still a warrior society and serve for the joy of it and if there are any benefits all the better.
Keep in mind...US is a Republic which currently has a 'democratic' form of government...times change!
Diesel
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Up until approximately 35 yrs of age, I bicycled a MINIMUM of 50 miles EVERY day, ran 100 > 200 flights of stairs, at least an hour of calisthenics... At 40, I was running minimum of 5 miles every day, walking 15+ miles, more than an hour of calisthenics.
Age 15 > 19, was running 3 to 5 workouts every day, usually 10 miles per.
Not everybody has a lazy lifestyle... some people actually exhibit discipline in the lives, even when not ordered by an authority. Likely outside the scope of your experience... <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
p.s. Was NOT in the military during years refered to... <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
WON'T is the correct word, not "can't"... Vastly different meaning...
Not happy about supporting those within this nation... why would we want to support them outside of it? Why would we want to foreclose on Mexico? We already have enough illegal Mexicans within the US putting a drain on the economics of those who DO work...
You make so MANY assumptions... <IMG alt="image" SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
"Real money", eh?
REALLY full of yourself, aren't you? Kinda like a flee riding a turd downstream, demanding that the drawbridge open for it...
Ever notice how easily it is for some to demand "redistribution of the wealth"? Who is going to pay for your grand socialization experiment? Who pays the greatest share of foreign aid now? Let me give you a hint... It AIN'T the UK... <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
SOOOOOO easy to spend the fruit of someone else's labor, isn't it? While you may see yourself as "Robin Hood", to those who would foot the bill, you are just another thief...
Why is it that you are so quick to presume that the US "should" spend itself into bankruptcy for the benefit of the rest of the world? ...and so quick to condemn the US for ever perceived slight?
Hypocrit comes to mind... <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
You are not reading any of my posts at all. I am not saying any western country would have to spend anymore than it does. The whole point of a centralised government means that the money can be fairly distributed, and cannot be seized by a tinpot dictator. And the whole point of reindustrialising and providing the poorer countries with resources AT FIRST means that within a few years the West WOULD NOT have to send billions of pounds in aid. Or do you not realise that? If you spent the time reading the main body of the posts I make instead of concentrating on any word containing Islam or USA you would see that what I'm trying to get at isnt a world government that takes America's money and gives it away. I'm talking about a government that could only work if countries like America chipped in for a few years until it is no longer needed. in the long run you would be paying LESS money.
Do you understand now? I'm not trying to visualise a communist society, or a society that takes all America's money and gives it to Guatemala. I'm trying to visualise a society where everyone is still a member of their nation, but they are also a citizen of the world. Where people compete and co-operate at the same time. Where this HEALTHY competition leads to new technologies, cures for diseases and anything else you can think of where 6 billion heads are better than 1.
So, what you are saying is that you "all" are arrogantly full of yourselves...
I've read your posts, and YOU still fail to realize that the funding must come from SOMEWHERE, unless you want to simply print up tons of useless and worthless paper, and that somewhere ends up being the US.
Your naivete is astounding, or... you are simply demonstrating a deeper level of your self-possessed arrogance.
Better take some more economics, little boy.
Why do you assume that the money would come from the USA? What makes you think the USA would be a big player? The fact that you are so opposed to it probably means the world would elect to keep America on the outside. Britain is the 5th richest country in the world, if needs be we can supply money to other people. As can other European countries such as Germany and France. You are the one being arrogant by blithely assuming that America would foot the bill, even though I have said chances are it would not.
I realise the funding would have to come from somewhere, I NEVER denied that. In case you missed the whole point of the last post, the need for money would DECREASE over time. But again you are completely missing the point by assuming I am talking about the USA.
Revisit the horrors of the British Empire? Thank you, but I'd rather not...
You were there? How old are you Sean? <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
Why does a World Government have to be socialist?
It won't work, as has been demonstrated over and over. Do you have a great desire to destroy the world? To plunge it into another dark ages? For that is what you are suggesting.
Capitilism works. That is why it has "won" the battle of idealisms. Socialism/Communism doesn't work. Never will. It fails to take into account the most important criteria; people and their motivations.
And who decides what those goals are? Who forces all to do this? Shall we revitilize the British Empire to shove its ideals upon the rest of the world? You tried it once. Enough.
Probably correct, since China has adopted Capitilism as their economic system. Might try traveling there.