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Capital punishment, should it be abolished?
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Following a recent news that the American executed a British subject for murder, do you think capital punishment is justified or not?
My opinion is that no human has the right to kill other humans, even though they have committed murder. True, murder is a serious crime but is killing the murderer the solution? I just can't believe the US as a civilised country can still be so barbaric.
I think life imprisonment is the best option. After all, if you kill the criminal, he won't get anything more. If you imprison him, he would still have the chance to look at himself, regret his past and change.
My opinion is that no human has the right to kill other humans, even though they have committed murder. True, murder is a serious crime but is killing the murderer the solution? I just can't believe the US as a civilised country can still be so barbaric.
I think life imprisonment is the best option. After all, if you kill the criminal, he won't get anything more. If you imprison him, he would still have the chance to look at himself, regret his past and change.
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If someone has destroyed the sanctity of life then they gave up the sanctity of their own life
Thanatos Jr, please note that the question posed was not about what the US Justice system can or can not do. The question was about the moral correctness or otherwise of taking a human life. Anyone who has even the least knowledge of military affairs is very much aware that the USA can pretty much do what it wants. Ability is not the issue. However, before you fall into the trap of "might makes right" you might wish to consider that Nazi Germany was a darned powerful country too, in its time.
Might want to look to the incident in Texas, where six (?) escaped and went on a binge of violence and murder. When you have ALREADY been convicted of murder, what is left to fear?
It is not about "retribution", or "revenge", but the RECKONING, and there most definitely IS a difference, just as there is a difference between killing and murder.
As far as abortion/capital punishment, there IS an hypocracy when those who are unwilling to end the life of miscreants who have rent the fabric of society (for the SAFETY of society from those same miscreants)will end the life of an unborn child for their own convenience.
If life is so precious then how can you support capital punishment?? <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Doesn't it just go against everything you say?
And the person who gets executed...do they not have families too? Won't that ruin lives?
If some1 were to kill my family (which for me is the worst thing that could happen) yes i will have lost my own reason for living, and would hope the murderer rots in hell, but killing him would be the easy way out from any suffering! At the end of the day, death is LESS moral than imprisonment and EASIER for the killer as it would be quick and over !!! (when i was a child i'd prefer a quick beating from my parents, which although was painful only lasted 1 night, rather than being grounded for a month without being able to do anything)
Murderers should be sentenced to, call it 'capital', but instead of death, that this means a prison on an isolated piece of land in the middle of nowhere with 6 feet thick walls and ceiling, so that they can't even see the sun or moon ever again, and this 'box' will become their only friend.......c how long they can remain sane!
That is not the way it works...
The same touchie/feelie people who decry capital punishment also get their panties in a bunch over the abuse and mistreatment of the poor murderer, and stage their little protests against the loss of the murderers "civil rights".
Murderers DO escape, and re-live their moments of glory, in realtime...
I hear this bleating "play nice with the murderer", and y'all wonder why yer called SHEEP??? rotflmfao! Y'all CONTINUE to disavow individual personal accountability and responsibility for actions, believing that it puts you on a "higher moral plane" when all it REALLY does it demonstrate the decadence which has gutted your "empire". Y'all tend to be the same people who want to have a group hug with Hussein, Khadafy, and bin Laden so they THEY will play nice. <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Again, for them deprived of functional intellect, capital punishment is about a RECKONING: it is what the miscreant has EARNED.
[ 21-03-2002: Message edited by: Thanatos...AGAIN ]
Someone convicted of murder, when released will simply not murder again. The majority of murders are not premediated, they are one off mistakes that the person has to live with.
Maybe that's why they crash planes into your country and not ours <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
I know this is not the way it works as justice systems all over the world tend to have alot of faults!! In a perfect world, if a murderer could be sentenced to being 'legally dead' i.e. no longer considered as part of the 'human' community, just kept alive as part of humanity because no1 has the right to kill any1, be it in murder or sentencing in court. Each is a crime in my eyes, because who the hell is a judge to sentence some1 to DEATH for a 'mistake, crime or even planned sick murder'??? OK, i know that murder is pretty much the lowest thing a person could do, but killing that person in return is going even lower, especially when its 'meant' to be for 'moral' reasons !!! Please !
Justify those assertions, in particular the one that 'two wrongs do not make a right.' Stop spouting slogans -- that last one is a very popular one that thousands of people repeat without thought -- and actually start to think for yourself. I do not demand that you post your entire thought process here, but I strongly suggest it, since
(i) it would prove to us here that your opinion is worth taking seriously; and
(ii) it would force you to examine your own beliefs and motives and come up with a rational explanation for the opinions you spout.
That costs faaaar more money than a bullet to the head. Especially when it is billed in the Chinese manner. <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Are you suggesting that the UK experiences NOOO terrorist acts? <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> No blown up pubs, cars, trucks, airplanes dropping from the sky? ROTFLMFAO!
Reality getting elusive again? Or do you simply prefer the delusion you hide within?
In the US, mistakes, accidents, and negligence are not considered "Premeditated Murder", and usually, there are "special circumstances" required to bring a death penalty. Not all deaths are the result of "murder", but it would appear that the subtleties are lost upon you. <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
It is generally a jury who dictates the penalty for a conviction, not a judge, and then there is an automatic appear to the Supreme Court.
Are you still confusing ALL acts which lead to a death being a "murder"? It is not considered a "murder" here WITHOUT the premeditation...
Not at all. I was referring to your comment about us having a "group hug with Hussein, Khadafy, and bin Laden so they THEY will play nice".
Those three have nothing to do with the attacks you listed...
I take it you can prove that?
Yeah, but can you prove that people are born evil?
I didnt make the claim <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
It all depends on what criminological standpoint you are in. The Rational Actor, or predestined actor are both theories that are used to explain why people comit crime. Rational Actor theorists believe that everyone makes their own choices, that noone is born evil, but comit crim based on a series of choices, based on the "pleasure pain" theory. Basically, someone will comit a crim if the pleasure gained outweighs any possible punishment, or if they think they won't get caught.
The second theory, that of the Pre-destined suggests that people are heavily influenced by those around them, and what circumstances they find themselves in, and attempts to remove part/all of the blame from the criminal and places it on society.
Both of them are sound theories, but are criticised for not going into enough depth.
If they have a choice, they are still under the influence of the society and all those surround them. So neither theories justify death penalty.
vox,
rhetorical question.
THEREFORE... If I chose to fly to your little island, track one of you down, rip your esophagus from your throat, then hand it slimey and wet to you before your eyes glaze over, it is really YOU to blame for my actions, as a member of society? You then will put me up in a choice little flat of my choosing with an unlimited stipend in order to bribe/educate/convince me to better behavior?
TO THE MODS ~ THIS IS NOT! NOT! NOT! A THREAT UPON ANYONE, BUT AN EXTRAPOLATION OF THEIR THEORUM!!! <IMG SRC="eek.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
How about if it "gets good to me", and I grow addicted to it? Y'all gonna "love me" til I grow socially acceptable?
Sorry... that is just pathetically naive.
"Can't blame ANYTHING ON ME, 'cause SOCIETY MADE ME DO IT!!!"
rotflmfao!
Y'all CAN'T be trusted with GUNZ 'cause yer ALL irresponsible, prone to rash and irrational behavior, and have ZERO comprehension of the concepts of individual responsibility and accountability! <img src="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/spineyes.gif" alt="image">
It ain't yer FAULT, jist that the gubermint didn't let chall GROW UP and become ADULTS! <img src="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/spineyes.gif" alt="image">
HELP, DIESEL! HELP! They're startin' ta make SENSE ta me! <img src="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/spineyes.gif" alt="image">
[ 23-03-2002: Message edited by: Thanatos...AGAIN ]
Don't need to go that far. I was just saying society has a part of the responsibility. I do agree there should be punishment. But we are now talking about which type of punishment is the most appropriate, and death penalty is not just inhumane, it is also uneffective - murder rates are not gone down with the impose of death penalty.
If you execute someone for whatever reason, you are in effect a murderer yourself.
[ 23-03-2002: Message edited by: NiceK ]