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Organised religion

Why are orgainsed religions so intolerant of people?

If you are gay, you are the work of the devil and are an evil sinner. Of course, gay people choose to be like that, and it isnt at all a natural thing; levels of homosexual people go up in times of over-population.

If you are a woman, you are an inferior being to men, and you should know your place, which is in the kitchen. And if you have ever needed to have an abortion, or if you have had sex before marriage, you are pure evil and shold be cast in the fiery pits of hell.

Basically organised religion is the most despicable thing to be in human culture. It is intolerant of anything and everything, unless you are willing to be dominated by people who obviously know better. Its been said that if God didnt exist it would be necessary to create him, all religion does is allow the rich to maintain their wealth with thepromise of riches in a future life. religion has no purpose other than to keep the masses quiet, industrious and obedient.

Organised religion is a breeding ground for hatred, and for that reason alone I feel it should be abolished and never be taught in schools again. The French have the right idea.

Any ideas?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Its quite simple really...ALL the current religions/churches around today were set up by men. They were setup by greedy, selfish and powerful men in order to dominate others.

    ALL organised religion is flawed because it was all created by man.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ahhhhh religion, the opium of the masses.

    I agree, I think it should be abolished but my girlfriend doesn't. She argues it gives people hope and can make them have a better life. She might be right but Heroin can have the same illusionary effect and you don't see that getting much support <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Not all religions say women are inferior and not all people who are agains abortion are religious.
    Some people just have very extreme views based on what they see as fact.

    I don't think it's fair to blame religion - it's just as much mankind's fault.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Religion = Invented, run and fucked by mankind.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Which religion are you basing your comments on Kermit <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    I've always thought Christianity was all about forgiveness, humility, faith, service etc. Not hate, greed, bigotry, violence or sexism. No?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Organized religion is about power. And power corrupts. Doesn't matter if you are talking about the Catholic Church, Islam, Buddhism, there are examples of it. The less power available to the "leaders" of the Church, whatever it is, the less problems/corruption/misuse.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kentish:
    <STRONG>Which religion are you basing your comments on Kermit <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    I've always thought Christianity was all about forgiveness, humility, faith, service etc. Not hate, greed, bigotry, violence or sexism. No?</STRONG>

    Well I had the Catholic Church in mind, seeing as I have sufferd a Catholic schooling, but Anglicanism and other Christian orthodoxies and the Moslem faith were in my mind too <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    And were you being sarcastic? <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What do Christians have that I don't?
    A. More than we can even count! Aside from having an incredible God to guide us through our lives, we are never alone through our joys and sorrows; He is always with us. He has this most of amazing way of comforting troubles. He takes the pain and anguish and replaces it with the most overwhelming feeling of peace and love
    i found this..or rather a friend did at the following site.

    If someone seriously believes in that then i say good for them, i'd love to believe that the world was full of joy, peace love etc!

    However it sounds more like an advert created by a story writer on drugs.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well...some people may need a god to find all that peace and comfort during their joys and sorrows but I get enough comfort from my life, myself and my mind to do without relying on someone I have no proof is there!

    What I really dont like is those people who are religious and go around thinking there is something abnormal about those who aren't. That's when things get a bit crappy.

    I 'm quite happy to let others rely on whatever crutch they wish to rely on as long as they don't follow me around telling me I should too. or telling me I'm wrong not to!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by J.r:
    <STRONG>What do Christians have that I don't?
    A. More than we can even count! Aside from having an incredible God to guide us through our lives, we are never alone through our joys and sorrows; He is always with us. He has this most of amazing way of comforting troubles. He takes the pain and anguish and replaces it with the most overwhelming feeling of peace and love
    i found this..or rather a friend did at the following site.

    If someone seriously believes in that then i say good for them, i'd love to believe that the world was full of joy, peace love etc!

    However it sounds more like an advert created by a story writer on drugs.</STRONG>

    And that is faith, not organised religion. Do not mistake them for each other.

    [ 21-02-2002: Message edited by: Sean_K ]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit:
    <STRONG>And were you being sarcastic? <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"></STRONG>
    No, not at all.

    I'm curious why you used the words 'organised religion'. What is the alternative, 'disorganised religion'? What's that?

    byny, I think religion is more than a crutch to most Chritians. Power may well corrupt, but is that the religion's fault or the person's.

    And Sean, I think religion and faith go hand in hand. You can't really have one without the other.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I have plenty of faith - no religion to speak of though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Vox populi, vox Dei:
    <STRONG>I have plenty of faith - no religion to speak of though.</STRONG>
    What do you mean? <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I was raised catholic went to catholic schools (later college) - had the typically bostonian Irish catholic upbringing.
    I left it - was too isolating for me and the religion and the community itself tended to put itself above everything - I was truly sickened though when as a kid, Id see everyone kissing the priests ass - as if he was the all knowing almighty - or in essence Christ himself!
    Then it got too political and racist to a point for me. Telling us who to vote for, how we should feel on this or that political issue and if you differed in view - thats it you werent a catholic anymore. The biggest issue for me was in high school when I was dating this girl who happened to be baptist - it got to one of the teachers who told the principle who proceeded to yell at me about "dating within my own kind" - I replied you mean, human? I was given a detention for insubordination and continued dating the baptist.
    Long story short - Im no longer a catholic for those reasons and find all organized religion to be too controlling for my liking.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I believe in a compassionate, loving, omnipotent God (my faith) but don't subscribe to any particular religion on the issue. Any attempt by humans to quantify him or to pretend to know his will diminishes him.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Vox populi, vox Dei:
    <STRONG>I believe in a compassionate, loving, omnipotent God (my faith) but don't subscribe to any particular religion on the issue. Any attempt by humans to quantify him or to pretend to know his will diminishes him.</STRONG>
    What's the point of believing in Him then? <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    I think quite a lot of people believe that there is a God of some sort, but lots of people disagree with the religion part.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    With the notable exception of Balddog, it is the human desire to believe that something really will happen to us when we die.
    I for one have a hard time comprehending nothingness, and prefer to think that something exists further along the line.
    Here's some food for though:
    religion is the opium of the masses
    -Karl Marx
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere:
    <STRONG>Karl Marx</STRONG>
    Just because he's famous, and it's a clever soundbite, doesn't make him right <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh dear, we've both quoted marx in the same thread <IMG SRC="eek.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
    We better hide when baldy sees this <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Not every religion is facist. Look at Buddhism (however it's spelt), they have no heaven or hell and look for the best in everyone. They don't kill and see everyone as equal.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    We better hide when baldy sees this

    <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
    Ive no problem with Marx, he was a clever man. He does make good soundbites as well.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kentish:
    <STRONG>
    I'm curious why you used the words 'organised religion'. What is the alternative, 'disorganised religion'? What's that?

    And Sean, I think religion and faith go hand in hand. You can't really have one without the other.</STRONG>

    First, it is very possible to have faith and not be involved in organised religion. Organised religion refers to a church or church-like structure, which is not necessary to be religious or to have faith.
    Everyone is probably familiar with the excesses and problems of the Catholic Church and the Church of England, but there are problems in Buddhism as well (do a search in the Bangkok Post for "Monk" and "Corruption" or for "Monk" and "Sex". You'll read a lot). Of course, Islam is fairly evident.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Sean_K:
    <STRONG>First, it is very possible to have faith and not be involved in organised religion. Organised religion refers to a church or church-like structure, which is not necessary to be religious or to have faith.
    Everyone is probably familiar with the excesses and problems of the Catholic Church and the Church of England, but there are problems in Buddhism as well (do a search in the Bangkok Post for "Monk" and "Corruption" or for "Monk" and "Sex". You'll read a lot). Of course, Islam is fairly evident.</STRONG>
    I think you are confusing religion and church. Sure, the Catholic church has had its fair share of controversy, but that doesn't affect the religion on which that church is based.

    Christianity is the religion, Catholicism is the church.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think theyre both as bad as each other..Religion is still all made up by man, written by man and controlled by man.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I believe in God and the afterlife and Jesus Christ, but I dont believe that what the Pope says is true because ehs the Ppoe. An organised religion is different from faith in that an organised religion tried to claim that it is all seeing and knowing, and a direct relation of God, and that all other religions and faiths are pure evil.

    I believe in my version of God, but believe that God exists in the way humans want him to. My God is no different to Allah, but both Christianity and the Moslem religion would claim to try otherwise.

    I havent explained this very clearly, but basically organised religions try to control people by saying if you dont agree with them then you are evil. Faith is quite different.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit:
    <STRONG>I believe in God and the afterlife and Jesus Christ, but I dont believe that what the Pope says is true because ehs the Ppoe. An organised religion is different from faith in that an organised religion tried to claim that it is all seeing and knowing, and a direct relation of God, and that all other religions and faiths are pure evil.

    I believe in my version of God, but believe that God exists in the way humans want him to. My God is no different to Allah, but both Christianity and the Moslem religion would claim to try otherwise.

    I havent explained this very clearly, but basically organised religions try to control people by saying if you dont agree with them then you are evil. Faith is quite different.</STRONG>
    Did you go to Mission Week in Durham? It was run by the CU there. I think it was a couple of weeks ago. Perfect opportunity to get some facts from the horses' mouths as it were.

    I see your point about organised religions being mutually exclusive, but I don't think there would be any point in having religion at all if they all accepted the others as true as well.

    And if you disapprove of child-shagging by Roman Catholic priests, it's probably best to rely on the Bible for your religion than that church <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think that the main difference to consider is that between organised religion and spirituality.

    Spirituality is a very personal thing, the belief that you hold about morals, the soul and the afterlife.

    Organised religion was created to channel the inate spirituality of humans, as humans always set up organisations to control everything. Organised religion gives you a dogma that you are told is the truth, it tells you to hate thise who are different and because most religions are very old their dogma is based on moral codes from centuries ago hence the sexism, homophobia etc. and this is why organised religion is very bad indeed! <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The christian faith (and yes, I am a christian) teaches people to love one another. However, as has been mentioned, power corrupts and many churches get ideas avove their stations. Then when they start disagreeing with each other things go wrong. Look at the troubles in Northern Ireland and look at Islamic terrorism. People use their religion as an excuse to use violence against the other religions, saying that theirs is the one true faith, etc. What they ignore is that their religion teaches charity and freindship.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kentish:
    <STRONG>
    I think you are confusing religion and church. Sure, the Catholic church has had its fair share of controversy, but that doesn't affect the religion on which that church is based.

    Christianity is the religion, Catholicism is the church.</STRONG>

    But Organised religion is a church (or similar organisation).

    [ 22-02-2002: Message edited by: Sean_K ]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Sean_K:
    <STRONG>But Organised religion is a church (or similar organisation).</STRONG>
    Um, sort of. But not necessarily the Catholic church, which is what you were using as your example.

    [ 22-02-2002: Message edited by: Kentish ]
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