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What should we do with peadophiles after they're convicted?

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
What do you think we should do about peadopliles after they're convicted?

I think that they shoud put Sarah Payne's killer (If they find him) in the middle of trafalgar square (telling the public that he'd be there a few days erlier), and allow the public to rip him apart at their leasure.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    no
    they should just kill him
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've got a strange feelinig of worry that they may not find sarah paynes killer. Most crimes are solved by crimewatch bringing the incident to peoples attention and them realising they saw something. There is no-one in the county that doesn't know about sarah payne and they have questioned everyone. They have found no evidence at all and they aren't following any leads.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lithium I am playing Devil's advocate here, so go along with this one.

    Would you still do the same if you found out that Sarah's killer was your father or brother?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    History will one day judge us by how we treat our criminals.

    Blade thinks that they should be allowed to serve their time in prison and be afforded all manner of support, rehab and treatment to enable them to face up to what they did, to control their sickness and to prepare them for the outside world again.

    Blade thinks that anything other than humane treatment makes the perpetrators of such inhumanity little better than the paedophile. It's all about standards and belief in the criminal justice system.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Physical retribution never solves a problem. The subject of how a sex offender should be punished will evoke a mixed bag of emotions as well as some deep rooted scars for survivors.

    A few years ago I confronted my abuser and got into a physical situation that nearly took over me. I chose not to let it get the better of me, otherwise who know I might have found myself in prison for assult or worse. I am now finding the strength to take this S.O.B to the authorities.

    I personnally feel that ALL SEX OFFENDERS should be sentenced to a life imprisonment (life be should be natural life) so that they can't offend and more importantly lose all rights to freedom. Afterall haven't they taken a freedom from their victims.

    If as talked "Megans Law" is introduced will it work to prevent such attrocities, or will it result in vigilanteism as resulted by the recent name and shame campaign by News of the World. I don't know.

    The one point that always seems to be overlooked in this debate (and I've had it numerous times in the pub with my friends) is how to treat and help the victims of such crimes after all it's the victims that suffer a lifetime of pain.

    Luka
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Cleanblade:
    Blade thinks that they should be allowed to serve their time in prison and be afforded all manner of support, rehab and treatment to enable them to face up to what they did, to control their sickness and to prepare them for the outside world again.

    Blade thinks that anything other than humane treatment makes the perpetrators of such inhumanity little better than the paedophile. It's all about standards and belief in the criminal justice system.

    One wonders why Blade talks in the third person, but I think hee's on the money with this one. So is Luka.

    Witch-hunts don't get us anywhere - they just give common thugs the opportunity to get away with violence.


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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE LIFE , OUR B KILLED. IF THE GOVERMENT WERE STRICTER AND PUNISHED THEM IN THE CORRECT WAY THEN IT GET THOUGH TO THESE SICK PEOPLE THAT THEY WILL BE CAUGHT AND .... HAVE WOT EVERY DONE TO THEM .
    SO WOTS THE F8CKIN POINT OF CARRY' IN ON WIV THE SICK FANTISCYS.

    I DO NOT FEEL THAT THIS IS AT ALL HARSH
    I ALSO THINK THAT PEOPLE WHO DO N E SHORT OF CRIME SHOULD DO AT LEST 4 YEARS IN PRISON .
    I AM NOT A NASTY OR VILALENT PERSON , I JUST WANT PEOPLE WHODO THESSE CRIMES TO BE SORTED OUT IN THE WRITE WAY
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Okay. So you're saying that a 15 year old caught shop lifting for a dare shoulf spend 4 years in prison, miss GCSEs and A levels, and come out at the age of 19 with no qualifications and a criminal record?

    This won't solve crime, it'll just help create it. Please don't do a whole post in block capitals, it makes it really hard to read.

    Texas commits more state executions per year then the rest of America put together, yet its crime rate is above national average. People commiting a murder on an impulse don't think of the consequences.

    Paedophiles are normally unaware of the consequences, they're so screwed up it just doesn't enter their heads. I think that the laws should be made harder for persistant re-offenders, otherwise I think it's okay.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    as ive said to previous peadophile, child abuser posts, they need to all b castrated, while awake, and vinegar poured on the wound! and thats the least they deserve, they dont deserve the satisafaction of death, which would b an escape. may b they should b locked up in a glass or cage like structure in a kinda public place where u can go and give them verbal abuse(with castration b 4 hand).
    i think they should b on a public regester, or mayb then should b tattoed with a number or someint so they can b recognised(by police etc), and wouldnt b able to rid it easily.
    i dont realy know, all i do know is that the current justice is pathetic and needs changing asap.
    c ya
    love helly
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As I have said before - a drug called benperidol can be given that removes sexual urges, therefore chemically castrating the receiver. If we suppose that paedophilia is simply about sex, this can be given - thus removing the urge, therefore possibly treating the offenders.

    However as paedophilia it is more often about "power and control", I have to agree with Luka's coments. As Luka and GwaiMui have stated, too many victim's lives are ruined.

    regards derby

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    God this subject makes me mad!!! I have no dout in my mind that the majority of sex offenders, if given the chance, will strike again! Therefore my punishment would be to simply kill them, maybe not even simpy kill em as torture would be much more rewarding for the victim. The only problem with that one is that once in a blue moon a person could be wrongly convicted and than tortured and killed when they r innocent! Thats the only thing that would put me off the torture and killing thing. Other than that, I think its the fairest thing to b done in the eyes of the victim.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    After you've convicted someone you've got to do two things. Protect the public from them doing it again, and punish them to act as a deterrent.

    If you lock convicted paedophiles up for life, or chemically castrate them before release that should solve the problem.

    I do think however that what some enjoy is the feeling of power as much as the rape. Protecting the public is the main consideration,, because what these monsters so is something that no-one should have to suffer.

    I don't believe that any crime merits murdering someone. It achieves nothing. If you hang a murderer who killed to avenge someone, aren't you just sinking to their level.

    If all paedophiles were executed upon being convicted, where do you draw the line? Anyone remember that case in America a couple of years ago where a teacher slept with a thirteen year old boy.

    She was imprisoned, despite the fact that the boy still claims that she did nothing wrong, he was fine with the whole thing and still cares about her. He's now sixteen, and still says it's okay.

    So when does a large age gap in a relationship become criminal, and how do you prove it? Anyway, let's keep the discussion going.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    From a personal point of view, I think the actual *punishment* should be up to the victim [if old enough] and their family. After all, THEY are the ones who will suffer the most.

    The mistake most people make is that prison is a punishment. I don't see it like that at all. It's just a method of keeping these mosters away from innocent children. Giving a paedophile seix months' suspdened sentence is ridiculous, when you take into account that the child's life is probably wrecked.

    Once any man [or woman] sexually abuses a child, the only sensible explanation is to keep them away from their prey for as long as they are a threat to them, either physically or emotionally [until they die.]

    Punishment is trivial compared to what they have the power to do when they are released [probably about 50% earlier for 'good behaviour' - if they'd been behaving then they would be in there in the first fucking place, would they?]

    Just get them away from kids. Anyone who disagrees with that obviously has a few 'issues' themselves. Help is at hand, do-gooders. Down your local loony bin.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Firstly I’d like to apologise in advance if I repeat myself from earlier posts.

    This particular post seems to be pretty split over whether capitol punishment is fit for the crime. For if it is then where does the circle of violence end ?. If this were an adequate solution who’d be an executioner?. Besides far to many wrongful convictions have been made in our justice system which could not have rectified had their lives been taken under law.

    If as one post has suggested we let victims choose the punishment, then what is constituted under the Law’s and or God’s eyes it becomes retribution where does that end ? isn’t a society judged by it’s justice system ?

    As I’ve said before personally I think that a life imprisonment sentence should be a mandatory punishment for these types of crimes, many of you seem to agree that tougher sentencing should be introduced. But since my last post I’ve thought about my comments, and also thought that the estate and property of convicted sex offenders should sold off and the money go towards the cost of protection for future victims and the costly treatment of victims.

    This brings me to a couple of questions I’d like to put to you all:

    1) What can be done to change the law ? (if you believe it should be, which most would agree)

    2) What can we do ourselves to save our kids innocence ?

    3) how can we help those who’ve already had their lives and minds ripped to shreds ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    This is the recipe for legal justice to peadophiles.
    Take one peadophile, add one or two distraught families and a whip leave to cook for 20 minutes. Rub in lemon and salt, beat together for 20 minutes until bruised. Leave to simir for 10 minutes. Next add 5-10 large weapons and a firing squad, go to large room finish off with a pull of a trigger!
    I think that peadophiles should be hung for what they have done.

    BaRt
    Live Life On The Edge!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would like to think that our society has gotten past the act of legalised murder, but still i find that parts of our great civilisation still seem to think that this will work.
    'Killing one human for the life of another will deter others from doing the same' This is the argument put across - what about the family of the executed? Dont get me wrong - im not advocating peadophilia, but surely a thought should be given to the innocent family of the accused? what if they have responsibilities? Would you want this persons mother and father to suffer just because their child turned out to be a monster?
    I belive that we should lock them up and throw away the key - no soft option prisons - just good hard labour until they drop dead through exustion. this way they can live their lives out in abject misery - just like the families of their victims.
    I once read a book that had this punishment for a serial murderer who was caught in syria in the 30's 'They will cut off your nose, lips, pluck out your eyes. they will cut you arms off and your legs. They will let you heal then throw you into the street. but they will not touch your ears - so the cries of young children and the pleas of women shall be the lamentations you will hear till you die. you will wish you were dead but you will be alive - a living death'.
    good eh?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Perhaps we should help them, for they are people who are just messed up in the mind, for whatever reason, but it is interesting the extreme feelings and emotions which explode to the surface with subjects like this.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    BULLSHIT. Kill the BASTARDS
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BaRt:
    BULLSHIT. Kill the BASTARDS

    Playing devil's advocate. Would you feel the same if you found out your father, brother etc was a paedophile?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My Mum's brother is the paedophile that abused me and she couldn't give a frig about what happens to him. Maybe she is biased because it is her daughters that were his victims.

    However, what you have said Derby has made me think. You see, I love my own brother dearly with all my heart and if I found out he had abused a child I wouldn't want him to suffer at the hands of mobs even though I would hate him.

    I would want him to be locked up away from society and from the risk of harming any other children but I wouldn't want people to torture him.

    Paedophiles should be isolated from children for the rest of their lives.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Gwai,
    re the above comment fair play, and my kindest regards,

    derby
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    IMHO, no crime deserves death as a punishment. I think that GwaiMui has the right idea on this one. Locking them up a good idea, but psychiatric health for both parties should be provided.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Should taxpayers money go into helping sick twisted, barsteads who get their happies out of fiddiling with little kids?

    Death is the simplest method which would keep the masses happy.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    basicaly, there is no point killing anyone...
    cause if that sort of person does what they do, it would be too easy for them!!!
    lock them in a padded room, (a hole, anything) for the rest of their lives and see them try and kill their selves..... their only option would be to live to they are going to naturaly die, or kill them selves... and to kill them selves might be a better way for them to go...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Peatee, I do see your point but there is one cunning flaw in it, ie. in a padded cell they won't let them kill themselves, by starvation or otherwize.

    I mean look at Ian Brady, they won't let him kill himself.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just an observation.

    Unfortunately the 'majority' of people who are paedophiles, have at some stage been sexually abused themselves.

    This does not mean that if you have been abused, that you will abuse, it is just a sad reflection on the lack of appropriate care and treatment for the victims.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just another observation: Why does it seem like most girls who have been abused are abused by men and don't grow up to become abusers but many male paedophiles claim to have been abused?

    So if a boy is abused it seems like he is way more likely to become an abuser than a girl.

    There are plenty of girls being abused and there isn't a cycle of this abuse because you don't really hear about female paedophiles.

    I think there are many paedophiles trying to excuse themselves by saying that they themselves have been abused.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by GwaiMui:
    Just another observation: Why does it seem like most girls who have been abused are abused by men and don't grow up to become abusers but many male paedophiles claim to have been abused?

    So if a boy is abused it seems like he is way more likely to become an abuser than a girl.

    There are plenty of girls being abused and there isn't a cycle of this abuse because you don't really hear about female paedophiles.

    I think there are many paedophiles trying to excuse themselves by saying that they themselves have been abused.
    that's a fair point gwai... but I'd rather kill myself than inflict the same pain as i did as a small boy.

    Luka

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by derby county:
    Playing devil's advocate. Would you feel the same if you found out your father, brother etc was a paedophile?


    I would feel the same way, infact i would be worried for my own safety!



    BaRt
    Live Life On The Edge!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Lithium:
    Should taxpayers money go into helping sick twisted, barsteads who get their happies out of fiddiling with little kids?

    Death is the simplest method which would keep the masses happy.

    EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!


    BaRt
    Live Life On The Edge!
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