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Isreal has no future.
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In the near future, there will be more Arabs citizens of Isreal than Jewish citizens. Arabs have many more babies than Jews. Immigration to Isreal has gone down to nothing because there are no jobs. Both the economies of Isreal and Palestine are dead-in-the-water as we say in the US. Sharone would like to kick all of the Arabs out of Isreal before, by population, it is no longer a Jewish state. Isreal liberals say that's like the Nazi's clensing countries of Jews in WW2. If he did do that, I have no doubt that terrorism from surrounding Arabs would never end against Isreal and....once again you'd have an economy with no job growth. No job growth. No future.
I haven't studied economics yet, nor psychology, nor technologies, nor advanced math.
And my opinion is there is no future for Isreal unless it is a Jewish state with a population that's mostly Arabs.
I haven't studied economics yet, nor psychology, nor technologies, nor advanced math.
And my opinion is there is no future for Isreal unless it is a Jewish state with a population that's mostly Arabs.
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The other big issue that the Arabs have is charity fatigue in the west. The US gives Billions in aid to Egypt each year. Many in Egypt hate the west and support OBL. The US gov, is starting to ask questions such as why are we giving this money to a nation whose ppl hate us. Egypt with a population of 85mil, it is the most nonviable nation on earth, its got far bigger problems than Israel.
Er... I'm talking from memory here but I seem to remember Israel has received to date around 40 Billion Dollars in aid from the US- that's not including much of the stat-of-the-art military hardware given to them or sold for peanuts. I suspect that is more aid than any country in the world could ever dream of receiving. Without it Israel would have long disintegrated as a country, not only from neighbouring hostility but from bankruptcy.
As for productivity, Israel does sell some food products- strawberries, oil- and have a better than expected hi-tech industry. However much of the food products are actually grown in Palestine by Palestinians- the Israelis then shamelessly buy it from them for next to nothing, stick an Israeli label to the olive oil bottle and sell it to Europe for a tidy profit. Much of the Israeli's agriculture exists thanks to the fact that Israel has appropriated most of the water in the region- draining countries such as Jordan in the process. A fairer, UN supervised redistribution of the water amongst the countries in that region would make much of the Israeli agriculture unsustainable. Not that it is likely to happen though.
There is also an unofficial boycott of Israeli products practised by a sizeable part of European consumers- not to mention other parts of the world. Until public opinion of Israel improves the country will only make limited profit from exports.
As long as deep in the heart,
The soul of a Jew yearns,
And towards the East
An eye looks to Zion,
Our hope is not yet lost,
The hope of two thousand years,
To be a free people in our land,
The land of Zion and Jerusalem.
To be a free people in our land,
The land of Zion and Jerusalem.
Yes Israel has a lot of problems on their backs, and lot of uncertainties(is that a word?) and question towards the future.
But I have no doubt concerning the fact that Israel will survive.
Haven't they gone against all odds, so many times before?
I really don't know of any other country which has developed so rapidly in less than 60 years.
Israel is known to be a leading agriculture country, and very advanced in the fields of medicine and hi-tech (as Aladdin mentioned).
Yes they have been helped, but without a will and a huge amount of hope, they wouldn't be were they are.
Just compare to a lot of other coutries who have recieved aid, and not had half of the accomplishes which Israel has.
At the moment the future doesn't seem very bright, but I'll tell you, NO Israeli I have ever met hasn't had the longing for the better. And this is a goal, which they will try to succeed on achieving.
So far they have had their downs, but look at it on the whole, and they have managed better than anyone could have thought was possible, with all of the difficulties they have had on their backs.
Taiwan, S.Korea, China
Are you talking about development as a whole (poilitical, socail, cultural, economic) or just economic?
Increased confidence would also mean foreign investment and development projects would rain in. That land has lots of potential for everyone. Unfortunately it lacks peace and stability.
I am aware of the fact that this is a huge future problem for Israel.
Especially as Arafat has been quoted to say something along the line of "The palestinians Trojan horse and strongest weapon, is the womans womb".
But I guess that when peace will be achieved, then the Palestinians will have their own country, and not feel the need to invade Israel?
Toad. Israel is a "democratic jewish state". The problem lies, in what has the highest priority, the judaism or democracy within the state?
About your development question; I mean in the whole. Israel has developed and experienced an enormous growth in every way possible.
Economically(even though the economical state isn't anywhere near good the shekel is still stronger than the Danish crown), socially, culturally and politically.
You'll find much more diversity within the population, influences and mixes from all over the world.
Under such conditions, you can't expect anything elese but some kind of gradual development. In Israels case, this has happened very fast (though I don't oppose to the fact that there is still a big whey which they can go).
Israels future is a bloody one
Souds like a contradiction to me........
The last thing the region needs is mass immigration for the sake of numbers. The ONLY key to peace is for Israel to get out of the occupied territories, give Palestinians their land and allow and recognise a full independent Palestinian Nation.
The reason I brought this up is because it seems even more futile.
Either way, with a majority of arab voters, your probably get the majority of the government being arabs, which I don't think would benefit any jewish cause.
As far as I know every israeli citizen over the age of 18 has the right to vote, this includes arabs.
I am not sure about land ownership. Though in the whole there are some spcific rules for building houses in Jerusalem, and I don't know exactly which rules apply tho who.
Could try to find out.
Ummm, its much higher than that.
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And yes, Israel as a state would have ceased to exist long ago without the US, probably in the '67 war.
I’ve never seen or heard of anybody boycotting Israeli/Jewish business, this must be a student thing. I know lots of people who have boycotted Islamic business since 9/11 but not Jewish.
The initial comment on the future variability of Israel could be expanded to virtually, any nation in the Middle East, Africa, central Asia and much of the Pacific Rim. Many of these places are in a terrible mess. A geopolitical map of the world in 50 years time might look very different to one of the present.
Jesus Christ! One could wipe out the third world's debt for good and have every child in the world vaccinated against all known diseases for that amount!
Not so much 'making friends' with a superpower as running the country in question.
No doubt some people will boycott certain businesses because of their links with one culture or another. I know people who will not shop in Marks & Spencer because of its alleged Jewish connections, and I've seen others handing out leaflets listing Jewish-owned businesses. These include some of the big supermarket chains and other big names.
Blanket boycotting of a company because it has Muslim or Jewish connections is just plain stupid anyway. Unless the company or product is directly involved in the conflict at hand, that is.
Well its 240billion dollars which is a lot more but that article really scrapes the barrel..
Its the cost of Israel rather than the money given to Israel. Money lost because of an arab imposed oil embargo thanks to the US helping Israel defend herself in the '73 war :rolleyes:
Lets be fair, most nations wouldnt exist without help from others. USA wouldnt be here if not for France, UK wouldnt be here if not for US and Russia etc etc etc etc etc. This isnt a new thing.
Seen just the opposite. There's a shop here, which only purpose is to sell those hidious thesite-orange "Boycot Israel" t-shirts and other things of the like.
Many shops stopped importing foods from Israel (primarily oranges, grapes and other forms of citrus-fruits), though after demand they got it back.
And even when they got the stuff back, stickers with "Boycot Israel" was stuck on every single product.
I am just wondering how much those people would boycot medical treatment which has been developed by Israelis?
Boycotting M&S because it was started by two Jewish guys is just plain ludicrous.
It’s hardly affected their profits has it?
My wife will not get in a taxi, if the driver is Asian (meaning mainly Moslem in UK) as she is of the opinion that many are rapists. She always phones a company that only employ white drivers.
Are you sure that is a post- 11th/9 reaction?
Don't know... Personally, pre/post- 11th of Sept, I have never told arab/muslim cab drivers where my mom is from.
Glad you are so open to various options. I can come up with at least two other scenarios that will solve the problem. You won't like them, of course. And if that was the answer...why didn't the Arab nations of the region take back the land when offered and do just that?