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If your going to quote me and then attack me be sure to get your facts straight first.
I know too well the desire for independance, I grew up as one of 6, I shared a room with foster children and my siblings until I left home.
I also know what its like to be desperate to get away from an abusive partner, the desperation that makes one starve to put food in the mouths of their children, the desperation of relying on benefit.
Rainbow, whats immoral is people taking a benefit not because they 'truly need' it but because for their own reasons want it. Compared to people using the benefit system in the way it was intended this appears selfish.
You may not think you are hurting anyone else, but in fact you are. The benefit system needs funding, and this comes from the tax payer. The benefit system is slow, this is because of the quantity of people claiming, thus slowing the proceedure for people who really do need help.
To add to this for 'selfish' reasons I would consider immoral.
I think you are talking from experience here! is it hard to see that she does not NEED this she is by this behaviour hurting people because others NEED the flat! I think you need to wake up and see that you are not being fair here!
With reference to this topic dont include me in the taking more than we need.
Ive never lived out of my means. I have lived by what I can afford.
If I couldnt afford like say a 2 bedroomed flat then I wouldnt bother looking at it in the 1st place.
Im teaching my daughter the same now, she wants stuff from the shop and I tell her I havent got enough pennies. She gets pocket money so if there is something that she wants I tell her to save her pocket money. Do you know many 7 year olds who would save pocket money because they wanted a new pair of jeans? Dont take that the wrong way, she doesent buy her own clothes, but id just bought her a new skirt, so if she wanted them jeans, because they were so trendy(her words) I told her to save her money and buy them, which is what she did
or perhaps she'll stick to her plan to have this year out of college looking after the baby while she lets her boyf go to coollege, and then next year put it in the college creche while she finishes her education.
:rolleyes: So narrow minded
dont you have a mortgage?
some people would say neither a borrower or a lender be.
thats not what i personally think, but you must see that your views are only your views and In my opinion its not immoral for a student to recieve housing benefit. I think actually that students should recieve MORE help. Id love to go to college but i cant bloody afford to and therefore when i go back to work im likely to be stuck in some dead end job, when what i really want is a career. If I could recieve a bit of help to further my education then id take it without hesitation. The government seems to want to make further education only for the rich - keep people in their place, and has obviously brainwashed a lot of the public into agreeing with them.
Doesnt make it right though does it? No, it just makes it more difficult for everybody.
self self self thats all anyone ever thinks about, how about looking at the bigger picture?
No, because that means being responsible for your fellow man, something that seems to be forgotten in our society.
Its not immoral for a student to claim housing benefit, some students HAVE to move away from home in order to attend college, uni whatever, they NEED the help. Your missing the point.
Its a different situation altogether when a student, already with a roof over her head decides that she wants to move up the road to better accomodation that she cant afford, but hey ho we'll all pay for it for her, isnt she the fortunate one!
Why is that ok in your thinking?
As ive already said I am NOT against young people getting some help, but what I have got a problem with is like the situation which Nikki first posted about. She doesent need a bigger place, she just wants to move there because it is nicer. We all want nice things, but at least have the sense to wait till you can afford it.
If her situation was totally different like she had been forced to leave home or something, then Id say Nikki go get some help and get a flat. It totally depends on the circumstances.
Your gonna pay tax through your arse when you get proper job so you may as well use the freebies now.
The rest of you cop on !
How can you judge !
On and the ones of you with kids do you claim child benefits ???
You leeches on society
Can I ask what you disagree with in my postings re this thread?
You have said you dont think its a good idea for her to move?
To be honest we actually seem to be agreeing here, we both think she should stay in her current accomodation.
As I have already said young people in a vunerable situation should be housed, they should have funding. I just totally disagree with someone wanting bigger and better things just because * They want a nice flat *, then expect it to be paid for.
Tell me about it - and i want a good education too!