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Urban-75 resolves Iraq issue:
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http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17917
So simple isn't it? Murder President Bush, then placate/negotiate/suck the dick of Hussein.
Then the administrator of Urban-75 weighs in to back up the post/poster...
Who woulda thunk it? :rolleyes:
Originally posted by RudolfTheRed
Can I make a suggestion? Why not knock off the bush job 1st. It might be possible to do the hussein job then through negotiation. That might spare 100,000 or more Iraqi children, women and men, who have nothing to do with what hussein is doing, from suffering an agonizing death or disability.
Just a thought.
So simple isn't it? Murder President Bush, then placate/negotiate/suck the dick of Hussein.
Then the administrator of Urban-75 weighs in to back up the post/poster...
Who woulda thunk it? :rolleyes:
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Anti capitalist – yawn.
By the way one reason that the Iraqi people haven't risen up and overthrown Saddam Hussein themselves is because they are kept so poor by western imposed sanctions!
This comming war with Iraq may get rid of Saddam Hussein but in the proccess it will destroy an entire country and kill, maim and injure tens of thousands. The Iraqi people wont have much left to celebrate about after the war. The country has already been partially destroyed by the last Gulf War. Its infrastructure is already in ruins with things like water treatment plants and sewage works still damaged and the countryside still littered with left over ordanace from the last Gulf War. Another war would destroy the country completely and could lead to mass starvation of millions.
http://www.socialistparty.org.uk
Nobody cares what you have to say. The working class will not overthrow the leaders of the free world.
Get over yourself already.
Throughout history there have been three classes of people: the High, the Middle and the Low. The aim of the High is to remain where they are. The aim of the Middle is to change places with the High. The aim of the Low -- when they have an aim, for it is an abiding characteristic of the Low that they are too much crushed by drudgery to be anything more than intermittently conscious of anything outside their daily lives -- is to abolish all distinctions and create a society in which all men shall be 'equal.'
Marx thought he saw power moving from the High to the Middle and inferred that it would pass to the Low. What he in fact saw was an interchange of High and Low, the substance of all revolutionary changes of power. No-one but the High can hold power, for that is the defining characteristic of the High.
By the way, Steely, I forgot to mention: you missed out the prime reason (according to Marxist theory) why the revolution in Russia failed. Come on, remember your communist theory lessons... What are the three stages of post-tribal society in Marxist theory? Feudal, capitalist, communist -- these three stages to be passed through in order and without omission. In 1917 Russia supposedly went from feudalism to communism -- WRONG! By your own theory, wrong! It 'missed out' the capitalist phase; in fact, it never changed. The feudal system remained; the names changed. Your are defeated by your own theory, Steely.
Just a thought...
Personally I pray that some evidence eventually gets leaked proving that 9/11 was actually planned and executed by persons within the administration, but that also is unlikely.
We're just gonna have to muddle through the next two years with this idiot in charge and hope America is suffering enough as a result of his woeful leadership that he doesnt get re-elected.
Given the yahoo sentiment still goin on in the heartland though, that too may be hoping for too much.
"knock off" is generally taken to mean MURDER when used in connection to a human being.
Later in the thread, they are waffling to state that they are simply advocating the invasion of the US in order to free the people from the illegal US government.
Since 11 Sept last, the welcome mat has been out for those entertaining such thoughts.
The thread has been wiped away, but not before being secured within my harddrive.
Should make entertaining reading. The alphabet types seem to have lost the humor concerning such things...
{edit} ~ so much for the effectiveness of their administration's threats to have my provider terminate my internet service, not being sated with simply banning me. Terrible thing, threatening a Marine. Be certain you really want to dance before you request the music...
Even the proven lying while under oath was insufficient to remove Komrad Klinton from office, and as I remember, even Nixon stepped down from the presidency, rather than having been forced from office. "Encouraged"? Yes. Forced? No...
Not an easy thing, to remove a president, even with a bullet. Ask Ronald Reagan about that...
Capitalism is also on the rocks, a few months ago there were the biggest company collapses in world history with Enron and Worldcom going bankrupt! The economy of Argentina also collapsed last year and Brazil was only saved from bankruptcy by a massive bailout loan from the World Bank.
The coming war with Iraq will also inspire a massive uprising by the people both here and in America! On September 28th hundreds of thousands of people will march through London and bring the city to a stand still!
http://www.socialistparty.org.uk
Come off it, there are even people on this board who would support such a move.
Some people don't realise that there are people in this world who will never "negotiate", just prevaricate...
Sanctions were imposed in 1991, after the Gulf War. Are you trying to tell us that the Iraqi people were rich before then?
:rolleyes:
Yes, perhaps we should help the workers of Iraq overthrow their "rilung classess" first tho', eh?
Or doesn't that ruling class count?
Possibly because it's complete bollocks.
Do you have one shred of evidence to back this up, or is it just the insane ramblings of someone who hates the US?
Which have achieved precisely fuck all. Except perhaps alienate them from the population at large, who seem them as thugs...
Haven't seen many of the "ruling classess" overthrown as a result, have you?
Except:
a) There won't be "hundred of thousands", because you don't have that kind of support. You'll be lucky to get 100,000.
b) Even 500,000 wouldn't represent a "massive" uprising. Just 1% of the population.
c) Bringing London to a standstill is a huge exagerration. Maybe "part" of London. ie The three streets/Trafalgar Sq where the protest is...
Just a thought, do you see the irony in protesting in Trafalgar Sq. A place built to celebrate a military victory...
ALthough, I think that this time you are all off to Hyde Park. I can understand that, much better secenery...
http://urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18020
Anyone who supports the coming war on Iraq must be very misguided and must not have read about the facts of how much suffering such an attack would cause. I reckon that if everyone had read about the situation in Iraq due to the last Gulf War and to Sanctions and knew about the enormous suffering an attack on Iraq would cause then at least 80 per cent of the population would be against the coming war with Iraq!
http://www.stopwar.org.uk
Er...I think I actually said that.
From a population of 55,000,000.
Again hardly representative. Besides, it will be the usual faces there. I would be very surprised if you managed to motivate the rest of the population.
No they aren't. They see you a midless idiots, in the main.
You may find that a large percentage of the population doesn't want war, but would support it once the facts come to light.
Prove it. Prove that tens of thousands would be killed.
Or is that just your supposition...
I have read this. I am aware.
I still believe that removing the regime would be the better solution, rather that than sitting around and doing nothing.
You cannot bargain with Saddam. At the end of the day, Iraq is in this position because of the instringance of its leadership.
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NB What no comment about anything else I said. Nothing to say about the condition of Iraq before the Gulf War? No comment about Iraqs "ruling class"?
Probably even that isn't true...more likely they will surrender in the tens of thousands...
Actually, I say that kindly...I really can't argue with someone elses paranoia.
As I attempted to point out to editor, the Carnivore and related programs are heartless in sorting out 'words' on the internet...current policy by US is to follow through on everything found that even remotely sounds threatening.
Once again word usage came into play...the owner of the bbs is ultimately responsible for everything that is posted there...when Thanatos says 'you' posted such and such...it is true even if editor had no knowledge of the post prior to it being pointed out to him.
As i've stated many times before; we are friendly visitors in your living room...if debate gets heated then it must be intertaining...but the facts remain...buttermilk has little 'sales' value on a politics thread!
About SEATTLE; someone posted above mention of the WTO demonstrations here...I live in Seattle...the demonstration was hijacked by less than two dozen anarchist from Oregon who got themselves into serious trouble by deliberately breaking windows, etc. The police got into a lot of trouble for using excessive force...ultimately nothing meaningful was acomplished and most people here have forgotten it.
If you are going to demonstrate against a war in Iraq on 9-28-2002 it just may be too late...! Just my opinion as previously stated elsewhere.
Someone had fun changing my profile...I might keep the fish though!
Diesel
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The anti-war demonstration will be really big and will help to expand the anti-capitalist movement even more as people make the connection between global capitalism and war and terrorism.
Globalise Resistance the voice of the UK anti-capitalist movement
Don't get mad at me for the quote but former President L.B. Johnston made the comment after the JFK assasination that; "...if we pass the civil rights bill the ni**ers will vote democrat for the next thousand years!" He was only partially right...there is now some swing away from the democratic party because of some of their public stands that verge on treason...that is treason in US parlance!
As someone who has been a 'radical social activist' since early childhood I can only share with you the point that almost none of these demonstrations led to anything lasting or worthwile...as Mao once said; "power comes out of the barrel of a gun!" And if anyone is to be empowered they must take it and be able to hole it on their own...all the rest is but pablum.
Diesel
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Not the smartest thing to get the focus, motivation, and commitment of a jarhead. :eek:
He started a pizzing match, and now there are no rules...
Several times, I offered a "truce", and got a FUCK YOU! in return.
So be it...
Just in case Echelon 4 missed what was going on, the alphabet boys have the threads in their possession.
MI5 have reportedly been notified concerning an Urban-75 regular that reputedly has close ties to Hamas, and got that person (who did the reporting) banned. Editor does not realize that banning the messenger does not kill the message, but compels the completion of the task...
btw ~ My thanks to Whowhere and others who entered the fray on the side of sanity.
For a long time it appeared to me that it was mostly a difference in language usage...and I still hold to that view to a considerable extent. However, I also detect a desperation in editors writing that makes me wonder about the man rather than the poster.
Frankly, I found a cynical amount of satisfaction posting at U75 because of the ol 'sheeple' thing but also because I really don't think we cousins know each other very well and thought it time well spent to drop into the politics board and 'visit' or argue...but never to attempt to damage or destroy the board or anyone on it.
Alarms went off when a poster for whatever purpose chose words that apparently had a more sinister meaning in US than they did in the UK...and emotions flared. Name calling began...which I find a bit confuseing because most folks there don't know any of us well enough to use such language. And now we have an interboard squabble which must be discussed off site because those involved were banned and could not defend at hand what was said.
And to top it all off I am left trying to figure out how to correct the Deeeeb to Diesel...really, I'm not very computer literate...but I'll get there...think I'll keep the fish though.:D
http://www.stopwar.org.uk
Ah, mindless destruction.
I thought that was something you didn't support Steelgate.
Just think of those poor innocent workers who will be forced out of work, thanks to the cost of repairing this damage...
Do you have any evidence of this?
Most notably the "carpet bombing" aspect, because it has never been reported previously. In fact you are the first person I have ever heard mention it.
Now the Republican Guard, there's some people who will tell you all about carpet bombing...
You know, the more I read of your crap, the more I look forward to the violent revolution. I now know that you and your kin won't attack anyone in a car, you'll let your enemy have fresh water supplies. I know I can hide in any public building... yadda yadda yadda. Guaranteed to lose really, aren't you...
I've enjoyed backing up Greenhat over there. He made references to the ceasefire between us and Iraq, but noone believes him. One poster in particular was demanding evidence. So I gave it to her http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/737483.stm
It is such common knowledge, I can't believe how stupid some people can be (knows the irony, shut up before anyone mentions it).
For some reason they still haven't got the idea of what a ceasefire actually is.
But then they are stupid.
Hell, I read that they think you love the US :rolleyes:
http://files.fco.gov.uk/info/briefs/1597.pdf